Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2008,09:16)Hi WJ, Surely you know “monogenes” does not mean he is the ONLY begotten Son?NH”Only begotten”Monogenes… strongs #34391) single of its kind, onlya) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of GodOnly One Monogenes/Unique Son of God.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2008,07:41)Hi WJ, Do you think the gods of ps 82 ,86, 95, 97 are sons of God?If they are then what is their ONTOLOLOGY?Psalm 82:1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.Psalm 86:8Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works.Psalm…[Read more]

Hi NHQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2008,06:51)Hi WJ,God begets sons.Jesus is the son of God and there are other sons seen in Jb1,2,38etcNo Begotten sons there. Since when are Angels “born” from God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2008,06:51)1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that beg…[Read more]

Quote (Irene @ June 21 2008,06:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 21 2008,05:59)Hi All!Consider this.If man brings birth to man then ontologically that man is 100% man.If God begat God then ontologically that God would be 100% God. Or it would be a hybrid God or something else.If God is light and brought birth to light, that would be a violation of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2008,06:12)In response to WJ,I believe that the Son of God's nature was 100% of begotten God and could never have been the nature of 100% always existant God.  An always existant God could not beget another 100% always existent God.I believe that the Son was born as the begotten God and His function was the light of…[Read more]

Hi All!Consider this.If man brings birth to man then ontologically that man is 100% man.If God begat God then ontologically that God would be 100% God. Or it would be a hybrid God or something else.If God is light and brought birth to light, that would be a violation of the spiritual or molecular structure of a thing. For instance the Sun…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 21 2008,02:18)Hi WJ,Nice posts on questioning the so called monotheism of DK, LU, T8 and Nick.Hi GMThanks!

Quote (Lightenup @ June 21 2008,01:37)Hi DK,Doesn't JW's and Arianism teach that the Firstborn of all creation was created?  I believe He was begotten, so that doesn't line up with Arianism. Don't JW's teach not to celebrate birthdays, have blood transfusions, participate in war, or even vote?  I maybe wrong but I think that JW's believe that o…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,13:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2008,13:44)Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,12:59)Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2008,21:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2008,14:01)Heres one.Just replace the word God with the Father.For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty Father, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2008,21:07)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 20 2008,14:01)Here’s one.Just replace the word God with the Father.For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty Father, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. I…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,13:42)From another thread..I thought this was greatTrinity TestHere is a simple but effective test.Replace the word 'God' in the bible with 'Trinity' (or Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and then read a random collection of verses that have the word God in them.E.g., John 14:1″Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 19 2008,12:58)Revelation 1:1…can someone who believes in the trinity explain this verse…Hi DKQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,09:06)The trinity is not taught in scripture…pre constantine Christians did not preach, teach, believe, or even know of the doctrine…neither did the apostles…History shows…[Read more]

Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,12:59)Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,09:56)Hi WJ,Really?He did not claim to be an ultimate source of anything.He ascribed all powers and teachings to His Father God.NHYou know the Unitarians like GB and Mandy and Gm have you on this.Can you give me a verse pre-incarnation where Yeshua ascribed all powers and teachings to his Father, like when he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,09:49)Hi WJ, So these things were IN HIM not OF HIM but OF and FROM GOD?  He was indeed a wondrous vessel.NHWhat is that supposed to mean?If all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in him and come from him then they are of him.Are not the treasures of wisdom and knowledge in God?

Hi DKQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,09:06)The trinity is not taught in scripture…pre constantine Christians did not preach, teach, believe, or even know of the doctrine…neither did the apostles…History shows otherwise.Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,09:06)All scholars agree on these facts…therefore I choose to not add to the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2008,15:00)Dear Irene,Hang in there.  People get different measures of the Spirit of the Father.  You are ahead of others, that's all.  They will catch up eventually.  I am sure that you are getting frustrated with all the walls your teaching is bouncing off of.  Someday, somebody will be challenged enough to ques…[Read more]

Quote (Irene @ June 18 2008,14:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2008,10:00)Quote (Irene @ June 18 2008,09:47)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2008,09:37)Quote (Irene @ June 18 2008,09:24)WJ. If the Spirit s a person then the Spirit is Jesus's Father. Is that true?Peace and Love IreneIreneNo, it is not true, because the Spirit didnt take on…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 18 2008,16:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 18 2008,03:23)Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 17 2008,19:35)That's a great post WJ, I can tell you put a lot of work into it. Kudos.Isa 1:18Thanks! I guess I am passionate about this because scriptures so clearly teach that the Spirit is not an amorphous “it” or “thing”. But in fact “the…[Read more]