Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 28 2008,10:18)Nick…….I am not denying Scriptures i looking at it from a spiritual stand point, Which is something you need to start doing.GBHeck lets just spiritualize all the scriptures away to fit whatever we want to believe.Maybe Yeshua was never taken litterraly to Golgotha and hung on a cross.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 28 2008,10:14)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2008,08:43)Hi GB, Did Jesus see the carnal minds of men falling from heaven?Did the mind of carnal man take Jesus to the top of the temple?Did the carnal mind of a man enter Judas?  You really should not publicly deny scripture.Nick…..Do you really think Satan took Jesus to…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ June 28 2008,09:44)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 27 2008,13:43)Hi GB, Did Jesus see the carnal minds of men falling from heaven?Did the mind of carnal man take Jesus to the top of the temple?Did the carnal mind of a man enter Judas?  You really should not publicly deny scripture.Hi Nick,Yes, Yes and Yes!The carnal mind is vein and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 28 2008,07:59)WJ….it's evident by your words you don't believe in God being the Potter and we the clay then, or that God gives men repentance, or God creates to Good works, or No man can come unto me unless the father (DRAG) him, nor He who began a work in you will see it unto completion, Nor the calling of God is…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2008,04:58)Hi Gene,Quote As for those who couldn't follow Christ it simply was not given to them to follow Him,I read through John 6 and it does seem to imply that the reason these disciples turned away from Jesus was because, verse 65, “…..This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,18:33)Yes brother I have clearly read your post. I am not able to get what is that you want to convey from that?I see clearly see the One sitting on the throne and the Lamb standing along with  24 elders infront of the throne. Do you want to say the One sitting on the throne and the Lamb standing are one and the…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,17:49)Ok brother I will quote another verse where in Jesus was standing at the right hand of God in Acts 7:55-5655 “But he, filled with the holy Spirit, looked up intently to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,  56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2008,17:21)To All did not Jesus say the Father was greater then Him, Why does Jesus at the end of His rule on earth turn over everything to God the Father and become subject to Him then , if He is equal to him He would never do that.Jesus Plainly said it was the Father in Him that was doing the works. You know if we…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,15:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,07:39)Quote (TimothyVI @ June 26 2008,07:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,06:29)Tim I think you are missing the point.Yeshua is in the thone with the Father, not just in the throne room like the elders!And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the…[Read more]

Quote (ptr775 @ June 26 2008,07:50)Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,21:16)ptr775If Ron's prophecies are false, could you please make an apology on this website (in this discussion) to anyone you might have help lead astray?Also, when will we know that he is speaking falsely? What month/year according to you will Ron's words be tested to the point that if…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2008,06:49)Hi WJ, So the Lamb is WITH GOD?Not the God he is with then.NHNo Yeshua is not the Father.He is the Word that was with God and was God in Jn 1:1.The same God that came in the flesh.No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,,who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Jn 1:18

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 26 2008,06:04)Hi WJ, Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,04:36)Imagine that, Yeshua is standing in the midst of the throne and the Father is sitting.” Quote (TimothyVI @ June 26 2008,06:04)At this point Jesus has ascended to be at the right hand of God. Why is it hard to imagine Him standing while God is sitting? Hi T…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ June 26 2008,07:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,06:29)Tim I think you are missing the point.Yeshua is in the thone with the Father, not just in the throne room like the elders!And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain,…[Read more]

Tim I think you are missing the point.Yeshua is in the thone with the Father, not just in the throne room like the elders!And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,04:57)Hi brother WJ, I do see the scriptures for me it is infering same as already quoted by Gene. I see that God the Father is different from the Son who is the Lamb that was slain. I do believe that by honouring the Son we honour the Father. But doesn't make Son and Father same being. This is the arguement put…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2008,04:44)Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,04:10)Ha! Ha! wonderful points my brother Gene. Let WJ answer them with due care.GMYou jumped the gun my friend! GMBy the way, you should start looking closer at the scriptures before you jump on the bandwagon with GB.

Quote (gollamudi @ June 26 2008,04:10)Ha! Ha! wonderful points my brother Gene. Let WJ answer them with due care.GMYou jumped the gun my friend!

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2008,03:33)WJ…..it says we may profess Jesus as Lord (TO THE GLORY OF GOD) never does it say we profess Jesus as God the Father does it. Jesus Said the Father was (GREATER) then Him. They are not one and the same Being then. When the Lamb went and took the scroll from the one who sat on the throne it was not…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 25 2008,18:10 t8,)Jesus as the Lamb that was slain does seem to receive the same sing-song of praise that is directed to the “one on the throne”.  What do you make of this?Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,18:58)He receives praise as the lamb of God who receives power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and…[Read more]

Hi t8Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,18:06)Jesus was and is worshiped/honored as the son of God and the lamb of God. Nowhere in scripture is he worshiped/honored as God.Maybe you can show me a scripture that says they “worshipped/honoured” God as God”!You are assuming, because if Yeshua is being worshipped as God then that is because he is God. The bur…[Read more]