Quote (Lightenup @ June 15 2010,00:46)It seems here in this verse that what Roo thinks Jesus is, the 'we' in this verse really are and not Jesus:James 1:18NET ©By his sovereign plan he gave us birth 1  through the message of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.NIV ©He chose to give us birth through the word of tr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,09:37)Because you, like Jack and Keith, have used the “monogenes has nothing to do with Jesus' beginning” line.  I put proof positive in all your faces (actually, WJ did), and not one of you is honest enough to face that proof.  It's time you face facts, man.  Get off this ride you are on.  Come join those of us…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 15 2010,03:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2010,01:37)First, our debate at that point was supposed to only be about “prototokos pasa ktisis” and “monogenes”.  Both of us kept getting off topic.  The posts were thousands of words long and it took me hours to respond to one post.  I sometimes neglected to answer things that ha…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 15 2010,03:23)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 15 2010,19:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2010,13:44)He's just scared, Dennison.  It's okay.  He ran away once, so he definitely doesn't want to be locked in a cage with me again.      Mike,Was David God's firstborn or not (Ps. 89)? the RooA straight forward question, demanding a ye…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,16:44)Hi WJ, There is one Spirit but you offer 3?So then you agree the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Jesus?WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,16:13)Hi WJ, CHRIST Jesus. There is only one Spirit and that is the Spirit of Christ and God But you have a third??It is you that claims more than one!WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,15:56)Hi WJ,Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of the Father If the Spirit of Christ does not live in you you are none of his,He is the head of his body and they are joined to him and his God by the Holy SpiritExamine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,15:51)Hi WJ, The Spirit of Christ does. What about you?NHAbsolutlely. The Father, 2 Cor 6:16, The Son 2 Cor 13:5, and the Holy Spirit, John 14:17, 1 Cor 6:19 as one God!WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,15:46)Hi WJ, Yes Jesus died and now we speak of the Spirit of Christ as the Lord.So Jesus does not live in you?WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2010,15:32)Hi WJ, You mean the Spirit of Christ?No!Yes, 1 Cor 15:20.WJ

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 14 2010,11:16)Worshippingjesus said to Mikeboll:Quote Why are you denying the fact that Eusebius had changed his position?Keith,Mike must continue his filibuster. He can't admit that Eusebius changed his position.Did you read the true story I told about an elder at my church who wrote essays which said that Christ was…[Read more]

Hi KathiGod has enlightened you huh?Quote (Lightenup @ June 13 2010,23:56)1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn (first fruit) over all creation,First of all the word “first fruit” is not found in the definition of the word “firstborn” (prōtotokos), but in fact Paul and John used the word firstfruits (aparchē) 8 times, in which…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 13 2010,13:27)1. the Nicene Creed specifically says that the Son was begotten by the Father before all worlds.  You say He was begotten when He was resurrected.2. The doctrine of the trinity says that the Son is co-eternal, you say that the Son began being the Son after the resurrection.KathiBut the way you interpret these…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 14 2010,13:17)To All,Please try to abide by this information that KJ has issued.Discussion cannot move forward if inadmissable information is brought into play – whether by lack of understanding or for other reasons.JAHMMM!I am impressed! WJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2010,12:21)Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2010,16:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,09:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and that’s when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 13 2010,13:27)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 13 2010,09:15)TO ALL:There is a point that I have been wanting to make so I will make it now. Mikeboll has tried to prove from fragment quotes that Eusebuis believed that Jesus had a beginning. These fragments are inadmissable because in the end Eusebius submitted to and signed the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,10:48)Quote (JustAskin @ June 14 2010,02:02)KJ,Why don't you ask for a moderator to mediate between you two?Hey Mike,I hear tell that you are a moderator now.Are you up for this? (Craig David)It's funny that we were posting the same idea at the same time again.   I would LOVE to continue my debate with Roo with a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2010,10:03)Oh brother, Roo!Again?  I would like to invite Dennison to “judge” this debate we're having so maybe someone would FORCE you to answer the questions that have been asked of you.  Are you willing to have a “judge”?  Let's take it back to our debate thread where I already bumped this discussion.  The reason I o…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ June 12 2010,14:59)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,08:48)Oxy………You have said that right , the spirit come fro the FATHER and abides in all his childern including Jesus himself. But what do you do with this quoted by Jesus, FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD, the word thou means someone else besides the person doing the talking…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2010,16:16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,09:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 08 2010,23:07)Jesus became the second Adam when He came in the flesh.KathiAgreed, and thats when he became the “Monogenes' Son, and was “ginomai” (came into existence as man) made flesh, (John 1:14 – Phil 2:6-8) and after his ressurction is…[Read more]