Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)Why is this so easy with the early church fathers to see but with you it is so hard?  Does begotten not mean begotten to you?KathiWhy do you imply there is only “ONE DEFINITION” of begotten?Why do you ignore that the Fathers disagreed among themselves about the use of the term and many use the word as in he…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)An eternal timeline doesn't start or end.This is a contradiction of terms because a “timeline” would have a beginning and an end. You cannot draw an “eternal line” that has no beginning or end.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)God exists, He says that He was, He is, and He is to come.  He is the before, the during and the after. “He is the before what”? Time “He is the during what”? Time “He is the after what”? TimeGod is the only being that has “Timeless Existence”!Since Jesus was before “Time” since he was there in the beginning…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)Eternity is a time period without beginning and without end.KathiSo a “time period” is synonomous with “eternity”?Hogwash.WJ

Hi MikeOn a quick note…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:15)But like Mike you are refusing to see that Jesus begetting in Pss 2:6, 7 was called upon by the disciples in reference to his resurrection when he sat on the Holy hill of Zion or the right hand of the Father.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,20:46)Keith, you just posted last n…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,10:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)And yes, beginning and end have meaning because of the existence of time.KathiExactly, and if you take away the beginning and the end then you have no time but only eternity.Once…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:22)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,10:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)And yes, beginning and end have meaning because of the existence of time.KathiExactly, and if you take away the beginning and the end then you have no time but only eternity.Once again…”SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THERE WERE…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:17)There was time before the beginning of the earth otherwise the earth would be always existent.KathiHUH? What does that even mean? God was always existent, does that mean that there is no “present” time?You said…Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)If there were no time, there would be no sequence of before…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,15:17)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 22 2010,10:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)If there were no time, there would be no sequence of before and after or during.KathiBut there was no “Before” in eternity past was there?How could there be something before “eternity”?That would be like saying there was…[Read more]

t8But if Jesus was the “first of Gods works” then that would make him a creature. Which would also mean that the following scripture would be null and void…All things came into being through Him, and “APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING THAT HAS COME INTO BEING“. John 1:3Not to mention that if he was the “first of Gods works” then that would…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)If there were no time, there would be no sequence of before and after or during.KathiBut there was no “Before” in eternity past was there?How could there be something before “eternity”?That would be like saying there was something before God who is eternal, right?Time started in the beginning.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 22 2010,08:49)And yes, beginning and end have meaning because of the existence of time.KathiExactly, and if you take away the beginning and the end then you have no time but only eternity.Once again…”SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THERE WERE DAYS OR TIME BEFORE THE BEGINNING OR DAY ONE“WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,22:09)You say that God does not live in the confinements of time.  Maybe time exists simply because God exists.  Time is not something tangible or created.  Maybe time is simply part of existing.Well if that is true then the terms “time” and “eternity” are the same. Then the terms beginning and end have no me…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,22:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,16:32)There had to be some sense of time before creation, otherwise nothing could be before something else.Why? There was nothing before the beginning of all things but God, was there? If so then Eternity was without time. God does…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:15)Genesis 1:5 says the FIRST DAY was created. So how can Pss 2:6, 7 be speaking of Jesus begetting before time? Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,20:46)The same exact way Micah 5:2 is speaking of it.Really Mike? Then tell my why Psalms 2:6, 7 does not have the word “`owlam” in it?And for the umpteenth tim…[Read more]

Hi MikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,20:46)Sorry Kathi, but Keith brought me into this post.Ha Ha, I knew you couldn’t keep your nose out of it, and I figured you wouldn’t give me time to answer your last post, but since you insist then I will just pick up here.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,17:15)Just as I thought, no scriptures to bac…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 21 2010,21:47)Quote (Arnold @ June 17 2010,09:50)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,16:39)Quote (Elizabeth @ April 30 2010,22:34)W.J.  The first Christians did not believe in the trinity.IreneJesus and Matthew and the Apostles did.Matthew 28:19 reveals a Trinity, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, right?Or are you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,16:32)There had to be some sense of time before creation, otherwise nothing could be before something else.Why? There was nothing before the beginning of all things but God, was there? If so then Eternity was without time. God does not live in the confinements of Time. He is an eternal being who did not need time or days.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 21 2010,16:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 20 2010,12:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 18 2010,17:42)Hi Keith and Mike,I see that you are discussing 'today' again.  I would like to mention that somewhere outside of our realm there is no night, just day as far as I can tell.Rev 21:23-2523 And the city has no need of the sun or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2010,22:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 21 2010,14:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 21 2010,04:14)MikeWhen Jesus touched the lepers (leprousy was a type of sin) he did not get infected by it, instead the essence or substance of God left him and healed them just as it left him and healed the woman with the issue of blood…[Read more]