Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,14:20)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 25 2010,23:36)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,13:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 25 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:27)KathiOk if what yoiu say is true then show me Arius quote. The above says nothing about him having a beginning out of…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 25 2010,13:23)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 25 2010,19:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:27)KathiOk if what yoiu say is true then show me Arius quote. The above says nothing about him having a beginning out of nothing.WJQuote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:58)Keith:Quote In explaining his actions against…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:27)KathiOk if what yoiu say is true then show me Arius quote. The above says nothing about him having a beginning out of nothing.WJQuote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:58)Keith:Quote In explaining his actions against Arius, Alexander of Alexandria wrote a letter to Alexander of Constantinople and Eusebius of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The majority of Christian trinitarians agree with the creeds.KathiAnd so do I. I have already shown you that I can say that Jesus was begotten from eternity just like we were chosen in him before the foundation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,16:27)Hi AllAthanasius opposed the Arius belief that Jesus had a beginning before coming in the flesh.Opposition to ArianismFurther information: Arian controversyIn about 319, when Athanasius was a deacon, a presbyter named Arius came into a direct conflict with Alexander…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so; and this is glory to the Father. Seest t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:15)I am reposting what Chrysostom says about how the Father beget another “of Himself, like Himself, except Him not being the Father.”Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so; and this is glory to the Father. Seest t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The term 'eternally begotten' is quite an elusive term, don't you think?Kathi You mean like “God begetting a God” before the ages or time?WJKeith,How many quotes do I have to show you that say “God OF God” before you will get…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,17:07)My purpose is to show you that there is more to their view than what you think and that is the part I quote because I want you to see their other views that contradict yours.Kathi How?For Athanasius and others to say that Jesus is “eternally begotten” and “without a beginning” is contradictory to your belief.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,16:57)Keith,Are you more comfortable if I said that begotten means He came FROM the Father as an offspring as opposed to being self-existent?Do you like those words better?KathiIt doesn't matter how you word it. I you believe at any point Jesus had a beginning before he came in the flesh, then you are in the Arian…[Read more]

Hi AllAthanasius opposed the Arius belief that Jesus had a beginning before coming in the flesh.Opposition to ArianismFurther information: Arian controversyIn about 319, when Athanasius was a deacon, a presbyter named Arius came into a direct conflict with Alexander of Alexandria. It appears that Arius reproached Alexander for what he felt were…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The majority of Christian trinitarians agree with the creeds.KathiAnd so do I. I have already shown you that I can say that Jesus was begotten from eternity just like we were chosen in him before the foundation of the world.WJ

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)I would like to find out more from those who use that term as to what specifically that means. It could just mean that during eternity past He was begotten and that lines up with 'begotten before the ages.'  If it doesn't mean that once He was pre-begotten and then He was begotten, I don't buy it.  I would b…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,15:34)The term 'eternally begotten' is quite an elusive term, don't you think?Kathi You mean like “God begetting a God” before the ages or time?WJ

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,14:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,13:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,11:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)God exists, He says that He was, He is, and He is to come.  He is the before, the during and the after. “He is the before what”? Time “He is the during what”? Time “He is the after…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,14:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,13:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,13:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,11:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)Eternity is a time period without beginning and without end.KathiSo a “time period” is synonomous with “eternity”?Hogwash.WJNo Keith,You did not…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,13:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,11:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)God exists, He says that He was, He is, and He is to come.  He is the before, the during and the after. “He is the before what”? Time “He is the during what”? Time “He is the after what”? TimeGod is the only being that has…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 24 2010,13:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 24 2010,11:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)Eternity is a time period without beginning and without end.KathiSo a “time period” is synonomous with “eternity”?Hogwash.WJNo Keith,You did not include the rest of the sentence.  Eternity is a time period without beginning and…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 24 2010,12:13)Paul called he the heavenly Jerusalem,and mount Zionand i believe it is all part of creation after Christ.PierrePierreYou must have a comprehension problemIsn't that what I am saying in my post?It's best not to but in unless you know what you are talking about.Especially if you are going to say I am not being…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 23 2010,15:38)It is so obvious that He was begotten before the ages because all things came into being through Him and apart from Him, nothing came into being.Ha Ha”…NOTHING CAME INTO BEING.”And that includes himself because he was already there with the Father in the beginning. If Jesus was “Born” before the beginning…[Read more]