Quote (942767 @ Nov. 11 2010,16:49)If you will accept correction that is coming from God to you through the scriptures, then we can walk in unity teaching the Word of God in truth.HaHaHa MartyIf you would accept correction through the Word of God that Jesus is God then we could walk in unity, and you might find unity in your church also!WJ

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2010,06:24)Marty,     The incarnation of Jesus is both a mystery and a miracle, and we humans cannot possibly comprehend his complete identity. Jesus gave us an example of humility, in that although he was on and the same with his father he did not” lord it over us” , and was kind and humble like we all should be. IMO t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2010,21:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2010,06:51)No. The Septuagint was translated some three to four hundred years before the NT scriptures were written. I am dealing with the NT use of the word.Hi Keith,The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptuː.ədʒɪnt/), or simply “LXX”, referred to in critical works by the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 09 2010,19:55)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2010,09:27)And he does not require anything.MartyReally? Then what are his commandments about?What does he mean when he says…And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, “Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 09 2010,17:12)And he does not require anything.MartyReally? Then what is his commandments about?What does he mean when he says…And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, “Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.” For whosoever will…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2010,19:51)You claim that monogenes mean an 'only of its kind' even though the word monogenes is made up of a verb and not a noun, then claim that the creeds don't have monogenes as 'only begotten.'Kathi Why do you bear false witness against me? You know full well I have admitted that the word “monogenes' is in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 09 2010,14:40)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 09 2010,21:30)Quote (942767 @ Nov. 08 2010,18:07)You said that God: This is clear and simple. The Mosaic law forbids such devotion to a man or a creature other than God.And so, when you are using the term “worship” with regards to Jesus it must mean something other than the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,15:11)Maybe we have to get a better definition of what essence means in the Athanasian Creed.KathiWhat more definition do you need than the creed itself…And the Catholic Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,15:11)Does the Father become a stronger God with the Son begotten, yes I would think so.Kathi How can that which is infinite become more infinite? It seems to me that your explanation above means the Father could not be fully God unless he brought birth to a Son through procreation.WJ

Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2010,01:44)Now, can you answer my one question:The Bible says that those who were spitting and persecuting Jesus “proskyneo”ed him.  You can mockingly bow before someone.How do you mockingly worship someone?  By bowing.DavidYour words contradict Jesus words. Can a man worship God in vain. If so is that true worship?Howbeit “…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 08 2010,23:05)WJ, did Jesus come to do the will of the Father who sent him?  Did he not make it clear.  Why then does he have to say that we should lose our life for the Father's sake when he came to do the Father's will…MartyBecause it is a violation of the Mosaic law for a man to require the life of another man for “his n…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,09:50)Keith,I don't agree that you or your wife became less human after the birth of your children than before.  My husband and I certainly didn't.  More tired certainly, but not less human.  I don't have much time now…later.KathiHow did you read into my statement that my wife and I became less human?Why would yo…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2010,23:18)Keith,When you had your first daughter did your essence divide and leave you with less essence than you had before you had her?  Essence is nature and in your case it is human nature.  Yes or No, did you have less 'essence' after your daughter was conceived than before she was conceived?Yes, what ever part o…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2010,19:51)You say the creeds are clear but you do not even know what dividing of the essence means or begotten before the ages means.KathiNo it is you that does not understand what the dividing of the essence means. Do you think you know more than those who wrote the creeds?That we worship one God in Trinity, and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 08 2010,18:07)You said that God: This is clear and simple. The Mosaic law forbids such devotion to a man or a creature other than God.And so, when you are using the term “worship” with regards to Jesus it must mean something other than the “worship” that is due to God alone because the scripture plainly states that Jesus is a…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 08 2010,18:07)And don't be ridiculous about my asking my wife to lose her life for my sake.MartyThen don't be rediculous in thinking that a mere man can require another mans life for his names sake and not be breaking the commandments of God.Why didn't Jesus say for the Fathers name sake?Do you even have a relationship with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2010,15:10)Keith,I don't think that I said that the church contradicted themselves, I think they added ideas that are ambiguous and cannot be proven with scripture and then put upon those a heavy burden by judging those who don't understand the added ideas as eternally damned.  They say it is a mystery…just believe.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2010,17:52)Well, I'm caught up with your posts Keith.  And I didn't see anything that answers this one:And we have both showed you that the soldiers were mocking the obeisance done to a king, not the Worship given to God.Mike That is your opinion isn't it.Do you think the following scriptures mean worship…Again, the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,08:05)MikeAh because of “Common Sense” we are supposed to change the meaning of the text and develop our own translation which is totally against every major translation and every credible Greek Scholar who are the experts in Biblical Hebrew and Greek?No thanks mike. I would rather believe the written…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2010,06:41)Mike is this what it comes down to, you calling me dishonest because I disagree with your interpretation and the use of the word worship in the NT? The occurrences you mention have been debunked. I am simply showing you the use of the term in the NT under the New Covenant that is all. How about the…[Read more]