Nick,Yes the spirit proceeds from god. He is OF the father yes. And as we see at Jesus baptism the same Spirit took up flesh IN Jesus. So,John 8:4242 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I came forth and am come from God; for neither have I come of myself, but he sent me.Jesus here is talking by way of the sprit.…[Read more]

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with…[Read more]

Cindy, I am not saying the HS is apart from the father. David, I think you are still not understanding what I am saying. I am NOT saying that Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. Jesus of Nazareth was a man, the second Adam.When the HS came upon Him he became the God-Man.Jesus = manSpirit = SONFather = GODWhen he was baptised it says he was filled with the…[Read more]

scripture says the Angels are spirits. they are also called sons of god. The HS is a set apart spirit. God was in Jesus by the HS is what the bible plainly shows.We have the evidence of the NT authors that there were 2 at the start and we have gen that says the same. No logic is needed here. The bible plainly states what is. I havent seen any…[Read more]

Nick,its not logic, its what scripture plainly says. The words jesus spoke came FROM the father. How did he put them there? By the spirit as it says. Truth is logical, otherwise we would all believe in the trinity! And no the spirit is not apart from God, it is OF god. Nick, you still have not addressed my question. If you would, I would…[Read more]

So basically,In the beginning was THE SPIRIT OF GOD and the SPIRIT OF GOD was with God and The SPIRIT OF GOD was God. This fits based on Genesis 1 perfectly.The spirit is life, wisdom, power, word etc. Or again:1 John 11What was from the beginning, … concerning the SPIRIT OF GOD– 2and the life (spirit) was manifested, and we have seen and…[Read more]

I fear I am not making myself clear as there is I think some confusion. I suppose I should have stated myself more clearly from the start. Let me attempt that now.Jesus = man, second adam, chosen lamb etc. but just man.Father = GODHoly (set apart) Spirit = The SON OF GOD. (possibly the angel of the lord as well and many other titles in…[Read more]

David,”The only problem is, the two “beings” we see are not Jehovah and “the spirit.””I dont follow you? Are you saying because he is called Elohim? I am assuming this elohim is God/YHVH. We could debate that I am sure. But the spirit is clear enough. Its gods spirit.It also fits John 1 perfectly. In fact john even PARALLELS his gospel…[Read more]

David,In genesis it says the “spirit of God”. One could easily say the Christ of God. Makes sense. Now, what the makeup of said spirit is exactly is debatable. The problem is the word SPIRIT. God is spirit but so are angels. There is no way that God as spirit is anything like what he created. He is above that!But when it says that God is…[Read more]

nick,we are told to be holy and perfect though which means it must be possible. I am not saying its easy but I dont think god would tell us to be if it was impossible. But even if we err we have an advocate with the father and according to 1 john 1:9 we are cleansed and “perfect” once more.So just be fast to repent when we err! Jeff

oh yes….and jesus, the man had to be baptised, as he himself said, to recieve of the same spirit as us. Jesus was a man, albeit a special one. When he was annointed with the christ spirit he became the SON in the flesh, as we will be.

Nick,let me try this again.Col 1 says CHRIST created all things. (And God says he created all through christ.)Proverbs 8 says that Wisdom was with God in the beginning.Gen 1 says that God and the Spirit created all things.John 1 says the Word was with god in the beginning.If we only see 2 beings at the creation and we know that God created through…[Read more]

Nickhave them read some of deuters chapter 28 (i think) on the curses for disobedience and also I think its leviticus. After reading about wasting diseases and such, a desire for obedience should follow! Also, one thing we have learned here is WHY god wants obedience. Beyond just holiness, its for our own good! When we sin, the demons have a…[Read more]

david,when I first started seeing them I thought I was losing my mind! But god has taught me what it all is and is still teaching me. When you see people get a demon cast out of them and they go from terminally ill to healed, you know they are real and they come to steal, kill, and destroy!We can get loopy if we start getting into calling all…[Read more]

Hey Nick,Yes christ (messiah) means the annointed one. The pre incarnate christ was the HS (the set apart spirit or annointed one).He fills us and we are one with the Father.Nick, before we go on, will you address my question?Col1: Christ made all thingsProverbs8: someone was with God at creation (we can even use John 1)Gen 1: The ONLY one with…[Read more]

Nick,Jesus is the son of god. And so are you if he dwells in you. The same spirit that dwells in jesus is in us. That spirit is the christ/the HS of god. He makes us allsons of god but the christ is THE son of god

Gene,>GOD is not Separate from his SPIRIT, I am not saying he is.>remember Jesus said GOD (IS) SPIRIT. This requires some debate because angels are also called spirits and they are created. So we must define that at some point clearly.>When Jesus said the FATHER was (IN) HIM he was meaning >He GOD was TRULY IN HIM, how by HIS SPIRIT which is…[Read more]

Hey Nick,–>So the Spirit is another Son?No, the Spirit is THE SON, the only begotten of God. He was begotten first spiritually and then physically. Mind you I dont know HOW god begat the son spiritually but I have my thoughts on the matter. But if we look at Col 1, then proverbs 8:27, and then Gen 1, we see that God created all THROUGH his son…[Read more]

Mt 10:20″For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. This is what I am saying. The spirit of the father is Christ/his son/the (set apart spirit) HS Nick, I ask you, if the son created and proverbs says that someone was at the beginning with god and gen 1 shows ONLY the spirit there, then how is it any other?Jeff

Gene,I agree but dont think the Spirit is an IT. I think the spirit is what created all things in the beginning. God created THROUGH his spirit/son. Now it is possible that the son is an angel that, like the man jesus, had to obediently accept the fathers will and hence became an obedient son and then later take on flesh in te man jesus. But…[Read more]