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Jesus cannot be the ark angel michael

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Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 14 2005,23:24)

Was Jesus the first creation of God?

first born of all creation, he is the finished sample of GOd when he said in Gen.1:26

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ok nick, well taken.

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Quote (t8 @ Sep. 01 2006,07:37)

Quote (wind_slasher52 @ Sep. 01 2006,21:34) i have given you tons of scriptures to answer this simple question Nick. Go through them again and find it. Jesus Christ (the flesh) is referring to the Father (God, Spirit, uncreated, without beginning and end). Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in Him. Are you saying that Jesus Christ is the actual flesh? If so, then what is his soul if he is the flesh? Matthew 26:38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”

JESUS CHRIST, IN HIS BEING THE SON OF MAN IS OF THE SAME

MATERIAL MADE AS PROPHESIED (GEN 3:15). ALL FLESH WERE BORN

WITH THE SAME BASIC ELEMENTS WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the
dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man

became a living soul.

THE PHYSICAL EARTHLY BODY,

Generally speaking, the Old Testament language employs no fixed

term for the human body as an entire organism in exact

opposition to “soul” or “spirit.” Various terms were employed,

each of which denotes only one part or element of the physical

nature, such as “trunk,” “bones,” “belly,” “bowels,” “reins,”

“flesh,” these parts being used, by synecdoche, for the whole:

“bone,” or “skeleton,”

THE SOUL, n.

1. The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man,

which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which

enables him to think and reason, and which renders him a subject

of moral government.

THE
SPIRIT

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life — not a literal

act, but a portion of God’s Spirit breathed to man

in creating His image and likeness)making him unique compared

to other creatures created. And man became a living soul.

This phrase shows that man’s life originated in a different

way from his body – being implanted
directly by God (Ecc_12:7),

and hence in the new creation of the soul Christ breathed on

His disciples (Joh_20:22). They received the Spirit of God,

(Acts 2:4)

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Q.
This does not say the Spirit is wind, or breath, but describes how IT IS EXPERIENCED by those whom it leads.Scripture nevr says that the breath of God is the Spirit of God and we should not make such vast assumptions.

Ans.
YOUR RIGHT NICK, NO MAN SHOULD MAKE ANY VAST ASSUMPTIONS ON THESE MATTERS. BUT LET ME CLARIFY MY POINT. I NEVER SAID CONCLUSIVELY, AND SURELY NOT WITH A SWEEPING STATEMENT, THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS EXACTLY THE BREATH OF GOD.
BUT AS THE HEBREW TRANSLATION GAVE AN APPROPRIATE WORD TO WIT “A FIGURATIVE RESEMBLANCE ONLY”

* Hebrew translation of the same word according to Strongs Bible Dictionary translates the word Spirit into “rûach “(roo'-akh)

meaning; wind; by resemblance breath, figuratively life, by resemblance spirit, BUT NOT TO BE EXACTLY DEFINED IN GENERAL.

ALL LIVING THINGS BREATHE THE BREATH OF LIFE THAT CAME FROM GOD
Gen 7:15 …. two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
INCLUDING MAN WHO WAS PERSONALLY HANDMADE BY GOD FROM THE DUST OF THE GROUND AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ALL LIVING THING BREATHE AND THE BREATH IN THEM IS A THE SIGN OF LIFE. SO IN THE SAME FIGURATIVE RESEMBLANCE, THE SPIRIT OF GOD GIVETH LIFE TO THE BODY. I SPEAK AS THE SCRIPTURES HAD ALLOWED US TO SEE IN RESEMBLANCE ONLY.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

BUT IF ANY MAN BE CONTENTIOUS OF THIS, I WILL NOT DEBATE NOR ARGUE ANY FURTHER. FOR WHO CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, BUT GOD HIMSELF. TODAY, EVEN AS WE ARE NOW THE SONS OF GOD, WE STILL SEE THROUGH A GLASS DARKLY. MANY THINGS WE WILL NEVER FULLY UNDERSTAND IN THIS SHORT LIFETIME, CONCERNING GOD AND ALL HIS WORKS. THAT IS A FACT AND REALITY. FOR OUR MIND IS LIMITTED AND GOD IS INFINITE. BUT, AS THE SONG SAYS “WE WILL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER BY AND BY”
IN THE MEANTIME, LETS BE CONTENTED WITH WHAT GOD REVEALS TO US AND ALLOWS US TO KNOW FURTHER AS WE CONTINUE TO STUDY HIS WORD, ONE DAY AT A TIME, LINE UPON LINE, PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT, HERE A LITTLE AND THERE A LITTLE. For what he has given us is all what we need today unto THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS UNTIL Jesus comes.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

I believe we have come to a very good conclusion of this thread. Thank you very much for sharing with us your time and thoughts. I wish that somehow, I have shared with all of you the light of christ that He freely gave us. To the Glory of God, forever and ever, amen

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Q. The breath of God that formed the soul and the living spirit of man is not the Spirit of God, it is the breath of God. Even animals were enlivened by that divine breath.

ANS. ISBE LATIN TRANSLATION OF THE WORD SPIRIT IS
Spirit – spir´it (רוּח, rūaḥ; πνεῦμα, pneúma; Latin, spiritus):
1. Primary and Figurative Senses
(1) As Wind, Breath

Webster defined the word spirit in the same latin meaning
SPIR'IT, n. [L. spiritus, from spiro, to breathe, to blow. The primary sense is to rush or drive .]

Hebrew translation of the same word according to Strongs Bible Dictionary translates the word Spirit into “rûach “(roo'-akh)
meaning; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, a, by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its _expression and functions): – air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

ALL LIFE COMES FROM GOD, AND THE LIFE THEY/WE HAVE IS BUT A FRAGMENT OF BORROWED LIMITTED TIME (lifetime) FROM HIM, THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF ALL LIFE
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Act 17:25 …, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

JESUS SPOKE TO NICODEMUS THE NEW BIRTH EXPERIENCE AND LIKENED THE BIRTH IN THE SPIRIT AS THE WIND BLOWING (MAN receiving THE BREATH OF GOD)

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Q. That life giving breath as our spirit still belongs to God and returns to God. By that breath of God in us God knows our hearts. The breath is IN all of creation but the Spirit is WITH all creation and only IN the vessels God pours His Spirit into.

ANS. ALL VESSELS ARE VESSELS MADE BY GOD. ORIGINALLY, HE CREATED THEM TO BE GOOD, OR HAS THE CAPACITY TO DO GOOD, THEY ALL HAVE LIFE IN THEM FROM GOD. BUT SIN POLLUTED THEM ALL, SINCE THEN ALL THINGS BECOME FILTHY (IN SIN) IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. GOD HATES THE SIN, NOT THE SINNER. GOD SENT FORTH HIS SON TO SAVE THE SINNERS FROM SIN AND DEATH. YES, ONLY IN THE VESSEL CALLED MAN WILL GOD POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT TO BE REBORN FROM DEATH BROUGHT BY SIN, TO LIFE BY JESUS CHRIST

Q. Jesus breathed on the disciples to give them the Spirit but for works of power he commanded that they await the full baptism of the Spirit.

ANS. AMEN.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Q. Like a Word, breath is expelled from a being and God never expels or becomes separate from His Finger, the Spirit.

ANS. GOD IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING CREATURE THAT NEEDS TO BREATHE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. GOD’S WORD (COMMAND OF EXECUTION) HE SENDS IT AND IT WILL RETURN TO HIM ACCOPLISHING ITS PURPOSE.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

GOD IS OMNIPRESENT, HE IS EVERYWHERE, HE IS LIFE ITSELF IN ITS PUREST FORM AND ORIGINAL SOURCE. HIS SPIRIT NEED NOT DEPART FROM HIM NOR DIMINISHED IN ANY WAY THAT OTHER CREATURES MAYBE GIVEN LIFE

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2006,02:50)

Hi WS2, You say ” Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in Him” I agree. He spoke as the vessel of God and God spoke through him such as in Jn 2.19 ” 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Hi Nick!

QUESTION

You have posted some good things here

But when you say

“God is omnipresent, He is present in heaven, in

earth, in hell, in our hearts, in Christ and

everywhere. Nothing is hid from him.”

Is
God living in sinners, or only within those that

His Spirit has been born into?

I would say the latter.

ANSWER.

GOD BEING PRESENT EVERYWHERE DOESN’T MEAN HE IS CONSENTIOUS

WITH EVERYTHING. GOD IS PRESENT EVERYWHERE, EVEN IN HELL.

Psa
139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

GOD IS EVEN PRESENT IN SINNERS FOR ONLY HE CAN KNOW THEIR HEARTS.

1Ch 28:9 for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth

all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him,

he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will

cast thee off forever.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

HE WILL JUDGE SINNERS AND SAINTS ACCORDING THEIR WORKS AS HE SEARCHETH ALL THEIR HEARTS ALIKE.
Rev 2:23 … I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

BUT HIS PRESENCE IN THEM IS THAT THEY SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE AND BE SAVED.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
2Pe 3:9 but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

QUESTION:

“Therefore when the fullness of the Godhead (Spirit)

dwelt in Christ (Body) in union with his own spirit,

they become one flesh.”

God dwelled in his flesh, within his being, but did

not partake of that flesh or God would have died

surely?

ANSWER:

GOD CANNOT DIE FOR HE HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END. HE IS

OMNIPOTENT AND EVEN DEATH HAS NO POWER OVER OUR UNCREATED,

ETERNAL ONE TRUE LIVING GOD.

WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, (OR “GAVE HIS LIFE VOLUNTARILY”

FOR NO MAN CAN TAKE IT UNLESS HE GAVE IT WILLINGLY). IT WAS

FOR A NECESSITY THAT THE SCRIPTURES AND PROPHECY AND THE WILL

OF GOD CONCERNING HIM MUST BE FULLFILLED.

YES THE GOD (SPIRIT, FATHER) THAT DWELLS IN JESUS DID NOT DIE

WITH HIM. BUT THE FLESH, THE CHRIST (LAMB OF GOD) HAD TO GO

THROUGH DEATH THAT THE LAW MAY BE FULFILLED, THAT HE MAY

CONQUER THE GRAVE AND THE STING OF DEATH.

1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy

victory?

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin

is the law.

1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

FOR THE PAYMENT OF SINS THAT THE WORD OF GOD MAY BE FULFILLED.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God

is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

HE MUST AFTER PAYMENT OF SINS, MAN CAN NOW BE SAVED THROUGH

FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND OBEDIENCE TO HIS GOSPEL WHICH IS THE

POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION (FAITH, REPENTANCE, BAPTISM BY

WATER EMERSION IN JESUS’ NAME, AND RECEIVING THE BAPTISM OF

THE HOLY
GHOST).

QUESTION:

You say

” Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And

many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in

Him”

I agree. He spoke as the vessel of God

and God spoke through him such as in Jn 2.19

” 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this

temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

ANSWER:

AMEN BROTHER, AMEN

QUESTION:

Are you saying that Jesus Christ is the actual flesh?

If so, then what is his soul if he is the flesh?

Matthew 26:38

Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with

sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch

with me.”

ANSWER:

JESUS CHRIST, IN HIS BEING THE SON OF MAN IS OF THE SAME

MATERIAL MADE AS PROPHESIED (GEN 3:15). ALL FLESH WERE BORN

WITH THE SAME BASIC ELEMENTS WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the
dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man

became a living soul.

THE PHYSICAL EARTHLY BODY,

Generally speaking, the Old Testament language employs no fixed

term for the human body as an entire organism in exact

opposition to “soul” or “spirit.” Various terms were employed,

each of which denotes only one part or element of the physical

nature, such as “trunk,” “bones,” “belly,” “bowels,” “reins,”

“flesh,” these parts being used, by synecdoche, for the whole:

“bone,” or “skeleton,”

THE SOUL, n.

1. The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man,

which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which

enables him to think and reason, and which renders him a subject

of moral government.

THE
SPIRIT

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life — not a literal

act, but a portion of God’s Spirit breathed to man

in creating His image and likeness)making him unique compared

to other creatures created. And man became a living soul.

This phrase shows that man’s life originated in a different

way from his body – being implanted
directly by God (Ecc_12:7),

and hence in the new creation of the soul Christ breathed on

His disciples (Joh_20:22). They received the Spirit of God,

(Acts 2:4)

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2006,07:49)

HI WS2, I do not call scripture any such thing. I love scripture and believe it. It says that Jesus is the SON OF GOD. Those who use trickery to try to show from scripture that God never had a son deserve to be asked to justify such mistreatment of the truth and wisdom of God.

even so nick, i believe in the same. lets be clear about that

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2006,07:49)

HI WS2, I do not call scripture any such thing. I love scripture and believe it. It says that Jesus is the SON OF GOD. Those who use trickery to try to show from scripture that God never had a son deserve to be asked to justify such mistreatment of the truth and wisdom of God.

i have given you tons of scriptures to answer this simple question Nick. Go through them again and find it.
Jesus Christ (the flesh) is referring to the Father (God, Spirit, uncreated, without beginning and end). Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in Him.

Pray that ye may understand

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gretings to you all in jesus’ most precious name!

It seems impressive for others to clip things from piled up commentaries, then drag and drop them as ready replies.
but the kingdom of god is not about the experiences and relationship of others with god. its about your own !

Verily, verily – An _expression of strong affirmation, denoting the certainty and the importance of what he was about to say. Jesus proceeds to state one of the fundamental and indispensable doctrines of faith. Nothing was kept back for fear of offending men of wealth or power; and for them, as well as the most poor and lowly, as the first thing in seeking God’s truth is a change of heart and of life.

Except a man – This is a universal form of _expression designed to include all mankind. Of “each and every man” it is certain that unless he is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God . It includes, therefore, men of every character and rank, and nation, moral and immoral, rich and poor, in office and out of office, old and young, bond and free, the slave and his master, Jew and Gentile. It is clear that our Saviour intended to convey to Nicodemus the idea, also, that “he” must be born again. It was not sufficient to be a Jew, or to acknowledge him to be a teacher sent by God that is, the Messiah; it was necessary, in addition to this, to experience in his own soul that great change called the “new birth” or regeneration.
This blunt and curt reply was plainly meant to shake the whole edifice of the man’s religion, in order to lay a deeper and more enduring foundation., his spiritual vision required to be rectified by an entire revolution on his inner man, the Holy Ghost he must receive to born of the Spirit.

a man — not a Jew merely; the necessity is a universal one.

be born again — or, as it were, begin life anew in relation to God; his manner of thinking, feeling, and acting, with reference to spiritual things, undergoing a fundamental and permanent revolution.

Be born of water – By “water,” here, is evidently signified “water baptism.in Jesus name” Thus the word is used in Eph_5:26; Tit_3:5. Baptism was practiced by the Jews in receiving a Gentile as a proselyte. It was practiced by John among the Jews; and Jesus here says that it is an ordinance of his religion, and the sign and seal of the renewing influences of his Spirit. So he said Mar_16:16, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.” It is clear from these places, and from the example of the apostles Act_2:38, Act_2:41; Act_8:12-13, Act_8:36, Act_8:38; Act_9:18; Act_10:47-48; Act_16:15, Act_16:33; Act_18:8; Act_22:16; Gal_3:27, that they considered this ordinance as binding on all who professed to love the Lord Jesus. And though it cannot be said that none who are not baptized can be saved, yet Jesus meant, undoubtedly, to be understood as affirming that this was to be the regular and uniform way of entering into his church; that it was the appropriate way of entering into the Kingdom of God (reign of God in our hearts); and that a man who neglected this, when the duty was made known to him, neglected a plain command of God. It is clear, also, that any other command of God might as well be neglected or violated as this, and that it is the duty of everyone not only to love the Saviour, but to make an acknowledgment of that love by being baptized in water and in Spirit (Holy Ghost Baptism), and by devoting himself thus to his service.

And of the Spirit – But, lest Nicodemus should suppose that this was all that was meant, he added that it was necessary that he should “be born of the Spirit” also. This was predicted of the Saviour, that he should “baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire,” Mat_3:11. By this is clearly intended that the heart must be changed by the agency of the Holy Spirit; that the love of sin must be abandoned; that man must repent of sins and unrighteousness and turn to God; that he must renounce all his evil propensities, and give himself to a life of prayer and holiness, of meekness, purity, and benevolence. This great change is in the Scripture ascribed uniformly to the Holy Spirit, Tit_3:5; 1Th_1:6; Rom_5:5; 1Pe_1:22.

cannot see — can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” etc.).
the kingdom of God — God reigning in your heart/body.

The kingdom of God – God reigning in our hearts. Through the receiving the Gift
or baptism of the Holy Ghost
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

But have you really experienced the new birth AS SPOKEN OF in John 3 ?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God .
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Have you been baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins? AND NOT FROM THE TITLES FATHER, SONS AND HOLY GHOST?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Have you received the gift of the Holy Ghost since you believed,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

As spoken of by the prophet Joel?
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

BY THE JEWS
As experienced by the early church?
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

BY THE SAMARITANS
Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

THE DISCIPLES OF JOHN
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.
Act 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God .

As promised to us all?
Act
2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I HAVE RECEIVED THE SAME GIFT BROTHER! AND WITH MILLIONS OTHERS ARROUND THE WORLD, YES, WE HAVE RECIECEVED THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST AND SPOKE IN OTHER TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE THE UTTERANCE.
AND ITS TRUE, AS IN THE DAYS OF THE EARLY CHURCH, THE HOLY GHOST BAPTISM IS STILL TRUE. YOU CAN RECEIVE THIS FREE GIFT TOO, IF YOU WILL SINCERELY BELIEVE AND ASK GOD FOR IT. AND MANY WODERS AND SIGNS AS THE SCRIPTURE HAD SAID DID FOLLOW AFTER THAT DAY.

If you have not yet received the Holy Ghost, then, you better start believing and STOP arguing because God is still giving the Holy Ghost today, to them that believe on Him.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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hi mercy first i thought youre a female, im sorry:D

by the way here's my answer

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God , which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Pro 28:18 Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved: but he that is perverse in his ways shall fall at once.
Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me (GOD), and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Psa 119:89 Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

FAITH
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

BELIEVE AND RECIEVE THE GOSPEL
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creatureMat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

REPENTANCE
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusal
em.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

BE BAPTIZED IN WATER BY IMMERSION IN JESUS' NAME
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

RECIEVE THE GIFT (BAPTISM) OF THE HOLY GHOST
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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i suggest that we must read the whole chapter of 1john 5:7 in order to understand the oness of GOd, dont stop on verse 7

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its ok camrezaie:laugh:

were just humans not yet perfect… its ok:)

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there is no denying on our side of the Son of God whom we call JesusChrist Nick. Its the unbiblical “god the son” that should be resisted. Check it out Nick. Still in darkness on this Nick?

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woe unto you nick, who call these holy scriptures nothing but mumbo Jumbo!

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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@nick and h
have you receive the holyghost?

@mercy
john 3:5 says(NKJV)
“5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

it clearly states that in order to be saved, you need to receive the holyghost you need to received the baptism of water and of the spirit in order to see or enter to the kingdomof God

acts 2:38 says
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

this is the true and real plan of salvation, if you want ican give you more details about plan of salvation because we need to be saved, Jesus is coming soon. just PM me if u want.thanks and Godbless:)

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well actually youre right, but if youre going to the book where you can read the story, it states there that Jesus was led by the spirit to the mountains to be tempted, and during this time the flesh is being tried, some say that God's spirit will never leave Jesus, well thats not right for the Lord hath saith “my spirit will not always strive with man” its in the book of genesis.:)
it only shows that Jesus is being tempted in the form of man

in order to understand this, you must believe that Jesus is half God and Half human.:)

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youre absolutely right,The one, The father is only the everlasting, the sonship and the holy spirit have beginnings and has ending, but the father are eternal…

@ the one
imvery happy that God had already opened your mind, and i hope and pray that someday others will follow you.GOD BLESS MY FRIEND!

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hi nick , im not a trinitarian.i believed in the oneness of God, and im not a trinitarian. the reason why i post that its because i want to show the history of trinity, and for me its really unbiblical.:)

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QUESTIONS  CONCERNING THE  GODHEAD

1.      1.  Is the word Trinity in the Bible?                          No

2.      2.  Does the Bible say there are three persons in the Godhead?         No

3.      Does the Bible speak about the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost? Yes

4.       Do these titles used in Mat. 28:19 mean that there are 3 separate and distinct person in the Godhead?        No. They refer to 3 offices, roles or relationship to creation or humanity.

5.       Does the Bible use the word three when referring to God ?  Only once in 1 Jn 5:7. It speaks of the Father, The Word (instead of the Son) and the Holy Ghost…and it concludes that “these three are one”.

6.       Does the Bible use the word “One” when referring to God ?   Yes many times. For examples pls see scriptures on Zech 14:9,  Mal 2:10,  Mat. 23:9,  Mk 12:29,  Jn 8:41; 10:30,  Rom 3:30,  1 Cor 8:4,  Gal 3:20,  1 Tim 2:5,  James 2:19

7.       Can the mystery of  the Godhead be understood ?      Yes,  Rom 1:20,  Col 2:9,  1 Tim 3:16

8.       Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father ?              Yes  Mat. 23:9

9.       What did Jesus mean when He said to Philip ?  “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father (Jn 14:9) ?              Jesus is the express (full) image (substance, revelation ) of (Spirit and invisible) God. Hebrews 1:3,

10.     Does the Bible say that there are 2 persons in the Godhead ?         No

11.    Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person ?              Yes, in Jesus Christ  2Cor 4:4,  Col 1:19; 2:9, Heb 1:3

12.    Is the Mystery of the diety hidden from some people ?              Yes,  Luke 10:21-22

13.    Who is the Father ? The Father is the One true God, as revealed in parental relationship to all creation and humanity. God in whom all things come from.  Deut 32:6,  Mal 2:10

14.     Where was God the Father while Jesus was on Earth ?           The Father was in Christ Jn 14:10, II Cor 5:19, He was also in Heaven and everywhere else for God is omnipresent.

15.    Did Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father ?          Yes,  Isa 9:6,  63:16

16.    When God said in Gen 1:26 “Let us make man in our image and likeness” , was He speaking to another person in the Godhead ?  no, He was speaking in a prophetic speech concerning His plan to create man in His image in likeness. The plan God has already started and its not finished yet. The express image and likeness of God with which man will be made to conform is in Christ Jesus. He is the perfect pattern of God’s likeness and image. One day God’s plan of creating man in His image and likeness (Like Jesus Christ) will be completed and finished.

17.    How many of God’s Qualities were in Christ ? All,   Col 2:9

18.    Can God be seen? God is a Spirit and cannot be seen. But through the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ He allowed Himself to be seen by men an angels. When we see Jesus, we see God the Father in the flesh. God incarnate.         Jn 12:44-45,  14:9

19.    Does the bible says that Jesus is the almighty?       Yes. Revelations 1:8

20.    Whom do some designate  as the first person in the trinity?               God the Father.

21.    Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The holy ghost. But Jesus said that he was the first and the last. Revelation 1:17-18

22.    How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven?  One. Revelations 4:2

23.    If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that he was the first and the last?  Because Jesus is the God of the old testament incarnate.

24.    Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10

25.    does the devil believe in more than one God?              No. James 2:19

26.    does the bible say that God, who is a word, was made flesh?   Yes.   John 1:1 – 14

27.     for what purpose God was manifested into flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9-14

28.    Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh?              Yes. 1 timothy 3:16

29.     Could Jesus have been in the earth and in heaven at the same time?                             Yes. John 3:13

30.    Does the bible say that there is only but one Lord?   Yes. Isa.45:18; ephesians 4:5

31.    Does the bible say that Christ is Lord?                Yes. Luke 2:11

32.    Does the bible say that the Lord is God?             Yes. 1kings 18:39; Zechariah 14:5; Acts 2:39; Revelation 19:1.

33.    How could the church belong to Jesus(Matthew 16:18) and yet be the church of God(1Cor. 10:32)? Because Jesus is God in the flesh.

34.    Will God give his glory to another?      No. Isa.42:8

35.    Was there God formed before Jehova, or will there any be one formed after?      No. Isa 43:10

36.    What is one thing that God does not know?   Another God. Isa.44:8

37.    What is one thing that God cannot do?             Lie. Titus 1:2

38.    How many Gods should we know?          Only one. Hosea 13:4

39.    How many names of the Lord?  One. Zechariah 14:9

40.    Is it good to think upon the name of the Lord?          One. Zechariah 14:9

41.    Does thne bible say that God alone treads upon the waves of the sea?     Yes. Job 9:8

42.    Why, then was Jesus able to walk upon the sea of Galilee(Matthew 14:25)?              Because he is God the creator. Colosians 1:16

43.    Is God the only one who can forgive sins ?      Yes, Isa 43:25,  Mk 2:7

44.    Jesus forgave sins also in Mk 2:5-11,   Because is the same God the savior in the flesh

45.    Is Jesus the true God?                       Yes, 1 Jn 5:20

46.    If  God the Father and the Holy Ghost are two distinct person, which one is the Father of Christ ?       Mat 1:20 says that the Holy Ghost was the Father, while Rom 15:6, II Cor 11:31 and Eph 1:3 say that God was the Father.  But if you believe that there is only One God, there is no more contradiction  when we realize that God the Father and the Holy Ghst are one and the same Spirit. Mat 10:20,  Eph 4:4,  1 Cor  3:16

47.    When Paul asked the Lord who he was, the answer was “I am Jesus”                           Acts 9:5

48.    When Stephen was dying, did he call God Jesus ?                Yes Acts 7:59

49.    Did Thomas ever called Jesus God ?                        Yes Jn 20:28

50.    How could Jesus be the saviour, when God the Father said in Isa 43:11”besides me there is no saviour?         Because God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself.  2 Cor 5:19

51.    Does the Bible say that Jesus was God with us ?                   Yes, Mat 1:23

52.    Did Jesus ever say that I and My Father are one ?                Yes, Jn 10:30

53.    Can it be proven scripturally that Jesus and the Father are one in the same sense that husbands and wife are one?                         No, the Godhead was never compared to the relationship of husband and wife.  Jn 14:9-11

54.     Does the Bible say that there is only one wise God

55.    Does the Bible say that the Holy Ghost is the secnd or third person in the Godhead?        No. The Holy Ghost is the one Spirit of God, the one that God Himself at work in our lives.              Jn 4:24,  1 Cor 3:16-17

56.    Can trinitarians prove that 3 divine persons were present when Jesus was baptized by John ?          Absolutely Not. The one omnipresent
God used three simultaneous manifestations. Only one divine person is visible and present. Jesus Christ the Lord.  Mat 3:16-17

57.    Does the Bible say that God shed His Blood ?   Yes.  Acts 20:28,  1Jn 3:16  God is able to do this because God had taken upon Himself a  human body…. the body of Jesus Christ

58.    The Bible teaches us that God is coming  back with  all His saints 1 Thes 3:13           Are  two coming back  ?         No.   Only one is coming back “ our great God and saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2:13

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