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As mike says 1Cor 15 tells it all, Jesus has been given all power and authority by the Father and when He comes back, He will give the Kingdom to the Father and be subject to Him, even as He is now, So that God, The Father, may be All in All.
Here is the Exact Scripture to back it up As in the New American Standard Bible.
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25  For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26  The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27  For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28  When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

God Bless

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All Trinitarians I will ask you two questions.
Is Jesus good?
Is Jesus God?
One verse from Jesus' own mouth tells us the answer
18 ¶  A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19  And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
In Luke 18:19 Jesus tells us He is NOT good and that only God alone is good. If He is not that means Jesus is NOT God.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2010,05:15)

Hi, There is no God but one. For us there is one God. Any vessel God uses does not become Him.

1Cor 8:6
6 Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him;and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
7 However not all men have this knowledge…..

If you believe in one God who is the Father and His son who is the Christ and our Lord then you have got it right

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,11:13)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:06) The scriptures also say that God will judge through Christ. Jesus said that the Father judges no man but has committed ALL judgment to the Son. So “through Christ” means by direct agency of Christ. The Father judges no man! thinker

Correct through Christ the Father is in Christ so even though Christ is doing everything the Father is still judging.

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,11:10)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,11:01) So if right now the Father has no power over anything and no say in anything? Cannot a father and son business be operated by just the son? The Father delivered ALL administrative powers to His Son: Matthew 11:27: All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Christ's ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY is taught clearly here. He said that “ALL things” have been delivered into His hands. This authority extends even to the authority to reveal the Father to whomsoever HE WILLS. I ask you again: Can a son have ALL the administrative powers in the family business? thinker

My Father and I have a business and if he gives me all authority that means he trust that I will do exactly what should be done just as the Father has given the Son everything but the Son only does his will.

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It proves that even though Jesus is Ruling, He is doing what Father says or has said.

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And also after he had been killed The Father was still His God and Father.

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The scriptures also say that God will judge through Christ.

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So if right now the Father has no power over anything and no say in anything?

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,10:56)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:47) He was in the form of God (which is Spirit, Satan is also in the form of God) but did not regard equality a thing to be grasped It is border line blasphemy to say that satan is in the form of God! Clearly the Apostle clarifies that being in the form of God means you are equal with God and Jesus did not see that as being a thing to hold onto (grasped). The word form is the Strong's G3444 – morphē which means 1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision 2) external appearance Are you saying that satan strikes our vision as God or when you look at his appearance you see God? Again if so, that is Anathema! WJ

Satan is Spirit just as God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:50)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:37) Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,10:25) Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to. Funny how it says that Christ “WILL BE” (future) subject to the Father (1 Cor. 15:28). So Jesus was NOT subject when paul wrote those words. thinker Actually sir It says both. And if God gave Jesus everything then He can take it away. It is plain logic that is someone gives you all power that still you are above them. No sir it does not say both. It says that Christ GIVES IT BACK. It is the Son's kingdom BY INHERITANCE and the only way God could take it away is if the Son would disobey. God took it away fromm the Jews for their disobedience. Do you expect that the Son will become disobedient? It is the Son's kingdom BY RIGHT and it cannot be taken away. HE GIVES IT BACK ON HIS OWN VOLITION! Think it through “sir.” thinker

Then why would he give it back at all if the Father gave it to Him to keep.

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When God says the time is now then Jesus will come it's that simple.

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,10:39)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,18:13) But if you look at the versed altogether is has to be talking about the Father because Jesus is not immortal,Jesus does not dwell in the unapproachable light, and He is not the one who no man has ever seen or can see. Lies, Jesus is Glorified and is Immortal, and has all things and dwells in unapproachable light. Do you think that Jesus is yet to be immortal?  Anathema! Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Heb 13:8 WJ

In Him(Jesus) is all the Fullness of Deity, For it was the Fathers good pleasure for the Fullness to be in Him.

Why does Jesus have a Name above all names

6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

He was in the form of God (which is Spirit, Satan is also in the form of God) but did not regard equality a thing to be grasped

And why is Jesus highly exalted….. He came down here and did God's Will. This was God's(The Fathers plan from the beginning).

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If Jesus had all wisdom and knowledge then He would know when He was coming back already and read your Bible. He is on the Throne of David not the Throne of God. He is at God's right hand.

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Funny how it says that God subjected everything to Him and He Will take it back to be all in all and it also says that the Father is not subject to the one He subjected everything to.

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WJ
Jesus is NOT on the throne of God he is on the throne of David.And he is at THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, NOT ON THE THRONE OF GOD!

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,10:06)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,17:42) Wrong the second He must be talking about The Father because it is describing who is bringing it about at the proper time. Who is bringing it about? Who is coming again? Who is ruling in the Kingdom as King of Kings and Lord of Lords? His name is Jesus! But there you go again, like all the rest you seek to make Jesus the servant Messiah! Wake up and take your Arian glasses off, Jesus is no longer in the flesh but is sitting in the throne of God, ruling as God, all authority and power being subject to him! Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 13 2010,17:42) Why are so many unwilling to see what is in front of them. And WJ you have still not explained 1Cor 15. That’s  funny I am saying the same… Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, “the King of kings, and Lord of lords”; 1 Tim 6:15 And then the Apostle John confirms who he is when he writes… These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for “he is Lord of lords, and King of kings”: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev 17:14 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”. Rev 19:16 It can’t be any clearer, it is right before your eyes! Who shall make war and overcome them? WJ

WJ
Not even the Son knows when He's coming back only the Father knows that, so he is the one that will bring it about at the proper time.

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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 14 2010,10:03)

Quote (uoflfan @ Jan. 14 2010,09:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 14 2010,05:24) Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 13 2010,12:54) WJ, There are too many points to come back to you on – Did someone say your were a preacher (please excuse me if I got that wrong). You said “For Jesus dwells in unapproachable light!” This is so amazingly lax reading of 1 Timothy 6:13-16: Quote  13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good      confession before Pontius Pilate,  14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,  15 which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and      Lord of lords,  16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To      Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen. It is quite clear that “He” and “Him” are refeing to God (the Father). Jesus Christ is mention directly and explicitly so there should be no confusion as to whom the references refer. Do not confuse the reference to “Lord of lords” and “King of kings” as this is dealt with later on in Revelation – something that I have just come to understand. Wrong again. Contextually it is the Lord Jesus and his appearing that is mentioned in verse 14 and then immediately proceeded by the word “He”, and then it is confirmed who the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is. It is a given that the Father has immortality. So Paul’s point here is that Jesus is the Only One with Immortality unless you say that he does not have Immortality. There is nothing secret about who the Lord of Lords and King of Kings is! (Rev 17:14 and 19:16). The problem that you have is Jesus has the Divine title Lord of Lords and King of Kings. WJ Wrong the second He must be talking about The Father because it is describing who is bringing it about at the proper time. Why are so many unwilling to see what is in front of them. And WJ you have still not explained 1Cor 15. U, Is is you who is wrong! Jesus is called the “King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16). It unmistakeably says that it is HIS name. The passage in Timothy says He is the “ONLY Sovereign, the King of king and Lord of lords.” If this is the Father then Christ's name cannot also be King of kings and Lord of lords. The passage in Timothy is CLEARLY speaking about Jesus Christ: 14to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. ESV Verse 14 CLEARLY says that Jesus Christ is our Lord and that at the proper time “HE” will display who He is. This with Revelation 19:16 is quite conclusive. Repent! thinker

Being that Jesus can be called all the names that the Father can be called correct? Which means the Father is called those names too.
But if you look at the versed altogether is has to be talking about the Father because Jesus is not immortal,Jesus does not dwell in the unapproachable light, and He is not the one who no man has ever seen or can see.
There is comma after Lord of lords which means it is talking about the same person it was talking about before in verse 15
Do you believe this verse says the same thing?
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,09:35)

Hi TT, Many are called gods but there is only one true God? Or do you have two gods? How does your polytheism fit with scripture?

Nick
They do not want to see what is right in front of them.Jesus is our example above anything else we strive to be like Him so do what He does, He worships the Father so do I, He says the Father is greater than Him and I believe that, He says the Father is the only true God I believe that. He says I and the Father are 1, I also believe that.
My point is our goal should be to be like Jesus so that's what i strive to do the best of my ability.

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To all
Jesus as it says in Scriptures had God in Him 2Cor 5.
Also He(God) made Him(Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf. 2Cor 5 also.

This was God's plan from the beginning, also you can take this verse two ways and both are correct even though WJ,and Thinker and other Trinitarians will say it is not.
This verse says that God made it possible for Jesus to be sin on our behalf but it also says that God made Jesus for this very reason, to be and take on our sins.

Also can you explain to me how I should take 1Cor15:24-28
24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
To me this says that right now and at the end Jesus will be like us Worshiping the Father who is God because he is and will be subjected to the one who gave him everything that means that Without the Father Jesus has NOTHING!!!

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