Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 20 2012,01:28)Toby………..Metaphysical as i understand the word is to apply something invisible to something visible.  Like a Stone Statue having a (REAL) invisible Power. such as false GODS of the Pagans. A term which Plato and Aristotle framed for the Greeks in their Metaphysical reasonings. Metaphorical language…[Read more]

Hi All,There were a couple of typo errors in my last post which I would have hoped to be able to correct in the same way as those who have Editing Rights in this forum. Sorry for that and I hope you can read past them.Also I mistakenly put '…Spirits … Not harm themselves… Because of sin…'.Of course, this should be pertaining to 'The Body'…[Read more]

Hi.There has been much misconception concerning the nature of 'Spirits' in this forum.It is to be noted that there is a 'Metaphysical' meaning of 'Spirit' and a 'Metaphorical' meaning of 'Spirit' and the two should not be confused (Although in reality only someone who desires to be 'awkward' could really confuse the two meaning considering the…[Read more]

Hi Gene,An interesting concept was brought to the table which I would like to discuss with you regarding the thread topic.I would like you to go along with me until we establish similar grounds of agreement on exactly what is being discussed.Is this ok with you?

Hi Mikeboll,Thank you for your response and I think I know how you must be feeling as you say in that response.As per our agreement I am allowed to use your name and address this last post to you and about you (Don't worry, I will be kind!)You said: Quote The “tempting” part is the reason I prefer you just leave my name out of your posts…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote BUT………………..  instead I'm asking you as a favor to leave my name out of your posts from here on out.  Don't address posts to me, and don't mention me in your posts to others.I thought that anyone can post whatever they like in this forum as long as it does not contravene any forum rules or regulations.By t…[Read more]

Mikeboll, you said: Quote I didn't assume that God gives to each seed a body to His liking – that is in the scriptures.Mikeboll, Spirits in Heaven (holy Angel Spirits are not 'Seeds' (They are neither given nor taken in marriage. 'Marriage' is scripture for procreate)Quote I didn't assume that Jesus now has a new glorious body in heaven – that is…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said to me:Quote 'You know what happens when you assume, right?'Isn't everything you said to me based on your assumption that Jesus had(?) a Spiritual Body?  Notice the number of times you had to modify your assumptions in an attempt to get a handle on some kind of possible realistic stance.  So you scoured the Scriptures and found a…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote Scriptures says that the Spirit is put into the Body made from the dust of the Earth (or from another earthly human female being through pregnancy) and when that occurs the two become a Living Soul.Show me that scripture.Genesis 2:7 'And the LORD God formed the man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,You said: Quote You've lost, Toby.  The dead (elect) will be raised with spiritual bodies like those of heaven have, because God will not leave us (them) naked in heaven.What is it that will not be left naked? And is it naked until it is clothed?'

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,13:03)I thought you would have been able to figure it out from my “geode” analogy.  If scripture said God turned THE GEODE into a son of Abraham, WHY ON EARTH would you assume that God must first have removed the outer, crusty BODY of the geode and turned just the inner crystal (spirit) of the geode into a son of…[Read more]

And Mikeboll,You said, Quote You mean MORE than you do already?    That is precisely why I've agreed to your ONE last question.   The deal was that it was to be the LAST one.  Yet I see a post where you've asked at least five more – not to mention the 30 questions your ONE question has turned into.Yes, Mikeboll, you know I said this question was…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll,Quote I'm done with you.  You lose, and 30 others here (including your staunchest supporter Gene) agree with me that spirit beings such as angels DO have bodies in heaven.  Deal with the defeat, because you're not about to change anyone's mind it seems – least of all mine.Please just answer the question(s) in like manner that you r…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said:Quote Are you saying that IF I'm right, and Jesus DID have a spiritual body in heaven before being made into a human being, that our All-Powerful God is INCAPABLE of transforming Jesus, BODY AND ALL into a man?YES or NO? I said that you have created false premises and then demanded answers to those false premises.  With Strict…[Read more]

Error:Quote You cannot justify how a Spirit is in a body and that Spirit Body is itself a body. Yet you cannot define what a Spirit is!Should read:Quote You cannot justify how a Spirit is in a body and that Body is itself a Spirit. Yet you cannot define what a Spirit is!

Hi Mikeboll.You said to Kerwin:Quote 1 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked.4 For while we are in this tent, we…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Quote Toby………….Forget it Mike is not about to be shown up on this his Pride won't allow it. I doubt if he would ever go for a point by point debate with you. He has dug himself into a hole and can't get out of if , so he just wishes it would all go away. IMOpeace and…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll.Amongs many other incredulous things to me, you said:Quote He (Jesus) was manifested in the fleshI thought you said that you never read anything about a Spirit being manifested into Flesh? Yet when it suits you, you manage to show it?Now that you have fallen again into your own trap you can no longer go back.You know what they say:…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Thanks for your response.

Mikeboll.You said that God changed the 'Spiritual Body of Jesus – and all'  into 'Jesus, the Man', Body and all.You do realise that in saying that God changed Jesus 'body and all' into a Man 'body and all' you are describing a manifestation.- The Spirit made Flesh- The Invisible made Visible- The Incorporeal made Corporeal- The Immaterial made…[Read more]