Hi Kerwin.Just out of curiosity, can I ask why you added the word 'Realm' in verse 9 and elsewhere?By adding the extra word you are changing the context of the 'location' of where such person's reside.In effect, you are saying that those of Mankind which are 'in the Spirit' live in Heaven.Romans 8 describes the 'Spiritual Person' and 'In the…[Read more]

Hi all.Did someone say: Quote I don't recall the entire nation of Israel being anointed with oil (or Holy Spirit for that matter).  But notice that David calls them first “chosen ones”, and then “anointed ones”.Doesn't Ezekiel 39:29 say '… I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel', says the Lord God.

Hi Nick.You said:Quote Hi Toby,So we did not see it happen with him as he was taken up-but it would have.I did not say that Jesus was made Spiritual when he was taken up.Jesus was clearly raised in a Spiritual Body as Scriptures says in 1 Corinthians 15.This raised body was the same body he died in but now renewed by the Holy Spirit.Jesus proved…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 23 2012,12:23)Hi Toby, I do not think Jesus still wears his perishable natural body. We follow himThe NEW is put OVER the OLD 1 cor 15Hi Nick,Where does it say in my post that I think what you just said?Was the body of Jesus when he was resurrected a Flesh and Bone body, just as he died in – but is now Spiritual.  Or…[Read more]

Kerwin, No..  While it is true that those who do not become Spiritual will not be part of God's kingdom, your words leave open the idea that mankind will not have flesh bodies. The verse says… 'Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.  Paul goes to great lengths to describe the Spiritual Body as the Carnal (or Natural) Body that is r…[Read more]

Hi Nick.Renewed, not New. The old body is renewed. If the body was new, then the Holy Spirit would have had to fake the holes in Jesus' hands, feet and side.

Can anyone here understand this: 'Those who are of a sinful nature cannot inherit the kingdom of God'.  Why can no one think straight in this forum?  Please check it out.  Check out what is meant by 'Flesh and Blood' in Jewish Tradition – not today's language.  How is it people understand 'Son of Man' and 'Begotten' and 'First born Son' and &#0…[Read more]

Kerwin, please pay attention.You asked:Quote What body is dead because of sin? The (living) carnal body.Quote What mortal body is quickened? The dead and buried body.Quote Is a quickened mortal body still mortal?Not if it is quickened directly by the Holy Spirit.  When Jesus, as unresurrected man, raised a person from the dead, they still later…[Read more]

Hi Nick,Anyone who is led by the Spirit is a Son of God, and that is what is meant by putting off the old man and putting on the new man.  However, the flesh body is still carnal until it is changed by the Holy Spirit at the resurrection, at the last trumpet, as Paul states.  The 'body' is not Spiritual until the resurrection even though the p…[Read more]

Hi All.Gene is 100% correct in his last post.  The old body is renewed by the Holy Spirit.  It is then 'Spirit-Led' and therefore is not Carnal, or Natural, but Spiritual ; the Spiritual Body.

Hi Gene.I never said that the Spiritual Body was a Spirit Body.It is the resurrected body made glorious and powerful and uncorruptible. That is written in 1 Corinthians 15. It is not me 'saying it', i am paraphrasing Scriptures.So from what I gather, you also agree that the resurrected body is the 'Spiritual Body' spoken of by Paul.Remember,…[Read more]

Hi All,It would be useful just to get some feedback on this thread.The purpose is just to show that it is illogical that a Spirit has a 'Body'.A body that is 'Spiritual' means it cannot die nor sin –  but neither can the Spirit.So why would a Spirit, in Heaven, in the Spirit realm, where it is not subject to sin nor death, require a clothing of a…[Read more]

Gene,Just one more thing.In Revelation 21:10, John was 'Carried away in the Spirit'.Was John's Spirit in a Body?John is also 'In the Spirit' (Rev 1:10) when he encounters Jesus in Heaven. Was his Spirit 'in a Body' in Heaven?If I'm writing to much, please tell me.

Gene,1 Kings 22:21 / 2 Chronicles 18:21:“Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, `I will entice him.' And the LORD said to him, `By what means?' And he said, `I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, `You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'”Explain…[Read more]

Gene,Well done, I finally understand what you mean.I don't say I agree but only that I finally see that you are saying that there are 'Angels' and that there are 'Spirits'.Angels, to you, are Heavenly Beings with a Spirit in them.Spirits are cognate thought that can be Clean or Unclean.I get what you are saying…Ok, let's examine the rest of what…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2012,08:02)Toby……….It is my opinion they (Angles simply did not exist, God made them Bodies and added SPIRIT (intellects) in those “bodies” but that does not make “THEM” (just Spirits) no more then were Just Spirit. I believe, they like us are a mixture of a Body with Spirits (IN) them basically the same as we…[Read more]

Gene and all,Ok, back to Spirit Bodies(?) – putting aside that some do not agree that Jesus was pre-Existent, do you think that for those who do believe it the idea that he was in a Spiritual Body (that therefore cannot die) cannot be as it would mean that Jesus did not die on the Cross?In other words: The Spirit in non-dead body is a Living…[Read more]

Hi Gene.Thanks for the reply.As regards 'Angels' you can see from the Hebrew that it is a word that designates an action to an entity.”A holy Angelic Spirit” is a Spirit that is a deliverer of Messages from God (I used the full title to distinguish it from a Demon Spirit and from a Human 'messenger')But even so, and with reference to the…[Read more]

Hi all,I believe that the 144,000 is symbolic for 'a great number of Saints – 12 x 1200 symbolically'Does any ever wonder why there are so many 40, 400, 4000 and 40,000's written in Scriptures (who counted them so exactly?)It seems obvious to me that '40xxx' stands for 'a large number':- was Noah in the Ark exactly 40 days?- was Jesus in the…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,The “Body from Heaven” is meant to read “The Heavenly Body”It is the Body “Changed by the Holy Spirit“.Funny we both posted new threads on the same subject at almost the same time.The 144,000 are the elect who will be the first to rise at the last trumpet.Nothing is spoken off concerning those of the second resurrection except that after…[Read more]