Know your context:Shimmer asked this question elsewhere:'Can Water ever get Drunk'If 'yes' – how?If 'No' – why not?

Hi All,Please take a little time to look over what has been claimed as proof- that Spirits in Heaven have Bodies- and that those Spirits have 'Wings'- and that Jesus now has a body in Heaven- and that body is like those of Heaven have (With 'Wings'?)- and the dead in Christ will rise with those bodies (The Spiritual Body!?)(If this summary is…[Read more]

Hi All,Please can you it be noted that in reference to Jesus being baptised the verse does not say that the Holy Spirit Was A Dove.Just to make it clear: the verse says 'Like a Dove'.This means that the Holy Spirit alighted 'in the way that a Dove would', that is, 'with a light flutter', 'Like a light breeze', 'Softly'.Has anyone ever seen a Dove…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You said: Quote Quote The verses are clear, that Paul was contrasting the Bright shining SPLENDOUR of the body in the Celestial Heaven, with the dull 'Splendour' of the Earthly Body.I disagree.  I believe Paul was contrasting the LITERAL bodies of planets and BEINGS in heaven to the LITERAL bodies of those of the earth.  After all, he w…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 27 2012,05:38)allwas Jesus the son of God before or after his baptism ??Hi Terraricca,What does Luke 1:35 say?

Mike.Quote So Paul LITERALLY meant bodies in heaven, and contrasted them with bodies that are LITERALLY on earth?The verses are clear, that Paul was contrasting the Bright shining SPLENDOUR of the body in the Celestial Heaven, with the dull 'Splendour' of the Earthly Body.The Contrast was concerning the Splender of each.Quote Doesn't that put a…[Read more]

Mikeboll.Quote 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies;This shows a distinction between the heavenly body and the earthly one.  “Heavenly” is CONTRASTED to “earthly”.And Paul stated exactly what he meant by both:Earthly: Animal, Fish, bird and ManHeavenly or Celestial: Sun, Moon and Stars.Mike, you missed out a whole chunk…[Read more]

To all,And to finish the thread off…So, here we have it: No one who claims that Spirits have bodies in Heaven, has been able to bring any evidence to the table. Every claim that has been made has been refuted using Scriptures – even the ones where attempts have been made to redefine words and terms to try to make them fit outlandish ideologies.…[Read more]

Dear all, I wish to consider a few things written in a recent post to me.The post text is this (broken into parts): Quote Remember what I told you in the other thread.  Don't assume that just because CERTAIN THINGS in scripture are symbolic that ALL THINGS in scripture are symbolic.It is to be noted, that the reference to 'Symbolic', was simply…[Read more]

Mike, Jesus most certainly was 'An Angel of God' in terms of the word 'Angel' meaning 'Messenger'. However, just as you would not claim that a 'Human Angel' was a 'Heavenly Spirit Angel', I don't see how you are claiming that Jesus was a 'Heavenly Angel Spirit', when you yourself claim that Jesus was not a created Being? And that was the context…[Read more]

Hi David, Nick, and all, thanks for the info.David,While I don't disagree with your possible interpretation of '1 Thess 4:16', I would like you to clarify and satisfy yourself and me, that the text could not mean that the shout was:   'Like that of An ArchAngel'and not necessarily that the shout was:   'That of THE A…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Thanks for getting back.You said a lot of things that were irrelevant to my question to you!You were good enough to admit that you cannot resolve what 'God makes his Angels Spirits' means. Gene, there is a very simple and direct reason why that is – and you know what that reason is!(By the way, again, 'Makes' implies an 'ongoing process'.…[Read more]

Hi Dew.My thoughts on the topic question are similar to t8's.However, it is far more difficult to bring an idea over to another in a forum, because communication context is lost in writing (Word stress, I flexes, etc) – yes, they can be simulated with Bold type or Capitals etc, but then it is up to the reader to interpret it right.However, yes,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,03:14)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2012,17:41)Yes Toby, It is new imperishable and different Like unto the angels at least in some ways-asexual.mt 22.30 lk 20.36Good point, Nick.Many seem to overlook this part of 1 Cor 15:48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven,…[Read more]

…Jesus' Spirit is alive in Heaven because his Body is not Dead, it is Spiritual, everlasting, none decaying, incorruptible, and can be 'put on and put off' (as somebody said).

Can anyone with any new theories please post them now – or else those who still think they can justify their current ideology post them now, in such a way as a summary only (Short points showing the vital aspects of your belief) – If they wish to?We now have eliminated 'Spiritual Body' as having anything to do with 'Body of a Spirit' – which,…[Read more]

Gene, I do not say that Angels/Spirits have flesh and Blood bodies (I cannot understand why you keep saying this).What I said, and keep saying, is that  'Angels/Spirits manifest temporary bodies that are seemingly like that of a flesh and bone man. Scripture says that the Angel's form was like that of a man in a white shimmering apparel. Gene,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2012,02:05)Toby……….the problem i see is no scripture say Jesus' body was ever Changed after his resurrection, it speculation at best. We truly do not know that he became a Spirit “being”  of any Kind or type. As far as a Body being transformed by Spirit i am not convinced Spirit itself can do that . I know…[Read more]

Kerwin,Then please, use a good translation.Do you usually use that version? It is clearly an added word, that can easily be used to give wrongful ideas.Ok, so you agree the following:1) Jesus was raised up from the dead in the body he was buried in but that had been made Spiritual by the Holy Spirit2) Spiritual Body means that the body is sinless,…[Read more]

Hi David and Nick, thankyou.First, David, I did not say nor imply that Satan was Michael, I was trying to establish what Michael's position is given what little we know.Perhaps someone could list what we know along with other connecting verses and possible links from Scriptures.Here are some pointers:1) Michael is said to be the Captain of the…[Read more]