Hi Gene.Much of what you are saying is very right.  But not all.I think you are right about some posters making up their own meaning of things (You yourself do that – but at least you explain so others can see).  And that you are agreeable to modify OPENLY your claims – even to adding 'In my opinion' or 'To my mind'.   (I should learn from th…[Read more]

Thanks Shimmer.Hi Journey and Mikeboll.Please can you expand on the verses that you quote in your claim.  Namely:1 Corinth 15:39-40:   All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds;  and there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but one is the glory of…[Read more]

Hi Gene.Imagine this thread as a jigsaw puzzle.  You certainly are fitting many pieces into the same correct places as myself.  This is to be applauded – and I do so to you.I still feel you are operating from the human earthbound perspective, that exactly mirrors that of the Sadduccees in the time of Jesus.  (Correct me if I'm wrong).  They, too…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2012,09:31)Toby.I dont belong to any religion.I am just a follower of Christ.(Christian.)OK Wakeup. God bless you.

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 11 2012,16:21)…all others were not begotten sons    You were not begotten of GodScripture says, (Literal Translation):But as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become sons of God – to those believing in his name,  who – not of blood, nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man, but – of God were begotten.

Concerning the Spirit, Isaiah 11: 2 states that the Spirit (of the Lord) is:1) The Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.2) The Spirit of Counsel and Might.3) The Spirit of Knowledge and Fear of the Lord.This is the Spirit of the Lord.Accordingly then, each point given (six in all described) is a Spirit in itself.  Yet they are, in fact, one Spirit.…[Read more]

Hi Gene.I think you are reading Scriptures, and seeing constant references to 'Angels' as Spirits – that come into and go, out of the physical world, that contain enormous energy, power, intelligence and God given authority, to act within boundaries. (what Mikeboll self-defines as 'A Body' – and you have just almost concurred with, by the way!)You…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup.I'm not sure I understand how what you are saying has anything to do with Spirits having Bodies.  Are you posting in the right thread?Please tell me this:  Are you a Christadelphian?  Thank you Wakeup.

Hi Wakeup. Thank you for your reply, I will get to that when I can.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 13 2012,02:01) Toby………..I do now see what you mean by Spirits (BEINGS) we can say Spirits are beings in the context they do (EXIST). To me spirit is a lot like AIR, we need it to live, but we must draw it into us in order for (IT) to be part of us, so is it with Spirits it is all around us all, but we must open…[Read more]

Gene, which one of the definitions (from the dictionaries), do you suppose state that a Spirit has a Body?From what I see NONE, not a single one.In fact, they patently state, that Spirit does not have a body – by virtue of being 'Incorporeal' and 'As opposed to Matter'.No matter how it is stated, nothing – in Science nor Religion – ever makes…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 12 2012,04:12)Toby……….Let take it on step at a time, You may have misunderstood me about me saying spirits is not in a Body, in fact i believe they certainly are in Bodies in fact all life Forms have spirit (IN) them or they simply have no life at all.  I think where we may differ is you seem to think spirits in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,14:28)Quote (toby @ Jan. 10 2012,21:53)Gene,Can you understand this: Energy acts in and on Mass (a Body/Material/matter).Can you understand this: Spirit acts in and on a Body (Matter/Material/Mass).Without Energy the mass is inert.Without Spirit the Body is Dead.But can Energy be active Without a mass to act in and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 11 2012,00:17)Toby………..Yes i do understand that, Spirit is not active without a body to act (IN) and (ON).  (IT) goes about in “ARID” Places looking for REST. Arid symbolizing DRY (WATERLESS), All life Forms have “WATER” and this seem to be the medium Spirit can influence and without water it seem to be able to…[Read more]

Gene,Can you understand this: Energy acts in and on Mass (a Body/Material/matter).Can you understand this: Spirit acts in and on a Body (Matter/Material/Mass).Without Energy the mass is inert.Without Spirit the Body is Dead.But can Energy be active Without a mass to act in and on?Can the Spirit be active without a Body to act in and on?”

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 10 2012,01:40)Toby…………..I do believe Spirit (EXIST), So from that stand point of Existence I agree with your assessment, but what i see a Being as, is a complete make up of something like a Body + Spirit = a LIVING SOUL or complete Being.  The term (BEING) (can), simply mean to exist also,  so from that view i w…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 09 2012,03:15)Hi Toby……….we do agree a lot on this subject brother. I was quoting Heb 1:7 where it says And of (or about) the Angels he says, Who makes his Angels Spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire. God is the one (WHO) “Makes” their Spirits and puts (IT) (IN) them the Angels, and they intern only do his…[Read more]

Thank you all for your responses – it has been interesting – but I can no longer carry on this discussion.In reality we should not be dwelling on Angels/Spirits in the way this thread has been.Mike, you have twisted and misrepresented things that I have said such that it makes me feel I can never make a statement that you agree with unless it is…[Read more]

hi Mikeboll, I forgot to respond to your question about Paul and the Glorious body.First off, I did not say that Jesus does not have a body at all.In fact it seems you are trying to box me into a corner – believe me, you cannot do that – I know what I believe!I said that Jesus has a body that is materialised when he is on earth and dematerialised…[Read more]

A glass of water – the water is Embodied by the glass – the water itself does not have a body. Break the glass or pour out the water from the glass – where does the water go? Everywhere … Of course, in reality, because of the physical world, it would fall downwards due to the 'Body' of Gravity around it. Also when it hit another substance, that…[Read more]