toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Mikeboll,Can we do the question and answer thing in a Debate thread?- One question asked- That question answered- No side questions- No personal definition of words- No forced definitions- No 'mis-understanding' about 'attribute of a spirit' as in 'Love, kindness, fear, holiness, etc.' and 'Spirit' as in 'Angel, Holy Spirit, God'Is it ok for me…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Mikeboll.This is a separate post link to the 'questions point by point' post.You said: Quote (Keep in mind that Jesus also walked on water as flesh, and did many other things that flesh beings normally can't do. Also, Philip, as flesh, was somehow transported through space and/or time. Surely God could have made the still flesh person Jesus a…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 29 2012,09:27)Yes Toby. Could you list any point you want to ask me about ONE POINT PER POST PER DAY?If you ask ONE question, then I will answer it. I ignore the majority of your posts because they are long-winded and many times nonsensical. What you do is called “flooding”. The Trinitarians use the same tactic her…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi MikebollOn page 494 of this thread, a number of points in my post to you were asked and you stated in your response that you would answer them if I first answered some point you made.That was done but you reneged on answering the points.On page 503 some more points were put to you and again you refused to answer unless I first apologised to you…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Mikeboll.I'm not sure what it is you find wrong with what I said as a summary from my understanding of what you wrote:Quote I agree with many, many different scholars………………WHEN THEY SPEAK ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE. Now, since there is no scripture in the Bible that says spirit beings don't have bodies, then it wouldn't really matter if…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi David.You said, 'We should rephrase the question to ask; Do spirits have spirit bodies?'We cant. The reason is that the definition of a 'Spirit' is that it is Incorporeal (and all the other things listed).If you check back a page, the definition was given for 'Body' and for 'Spirit'.Also, there is no such thing as 'Spirit Body' – there is no…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Mikeboll,Also, I took the initiative and looked up the term 'Spirit Being' and the definitions was given as:'An Incorporeal Being'Can you tell me what 'an Incorporeal Being' is?Also quoted was: 'Disembodied Spirit'.Mikeboll, can you tell me what a 'Disembodied Spirit' is?
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Mikeboll.So what you are saying is that you happily use quotes from a source as long as that source 'appears' to agree with what you say – but then you dismiss that source when it changes to what you do not believe? That sounds a little dodgy to me. So what makes you believe what is written in Scriptures that 'Appears' to say what you believe…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Terraricca.So if you knew all about the Spirit as you have written – why were you arguing about the Spirit having a body.You see that when you try to speak falsely you will be found out. Now you have to admit the Spirit is a 'Force of some kind'.Thank you Terraricca. Now, tell that to Mikeboll as well please.(By the way – It was Mikeboll w…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Terraricca.From what I understand you to be saying, you are saying that the Spirit (The Holy Spirit) is capable of doing what it will, when it will, how it will.And this is perfectly true – and exactly what Jesus is saying to Nicodemus regarding his inability to understand how a man can be reborn again.However, this was not the point I asked…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Mikeboll.Can you explain how your favourite author and another has explain the following verse:Young's Literal Translation. “See my hands and my feet, that I am he; handle me and see, because a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me having.”Barnes' Notes on the Bible. Behold my hands … – Jesus proceeds to give them evidence that he was…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
I made a small error on the last page:”For instance: What is it that is clothed in a Spiritual Body? (Is it not the Body of Human Beings raised from the dead)”Of course, that should say:”For instance: What is it that is clothed in a Spiritual Body? (Is it not the Spirit of Human Beings raised from the dead)”
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Terraricca, that was interesting reading. There is certainly a lot of interesting points that the author made.However, I was rather hoping for you opinion on the matter of Jesus, Nicodemus, and what was meant by 'the wind blows where it will. It comes and goes from and to where no man knows'.Perhaps you could expand your own opinion on this…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2012,12:38)Quote (toby @ Feb. 24 2012,21:23)Terraricca, please tell me what you think it is that Jesus is meaning when he spoke about the Wind to Nicodemus. I am intrigued to hear what you have to say.“The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes;…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Mikeboll,It is fine and ok for us to disagree – and for as many as so wish to not believe what I say in this thread. No one is compelling you to respond or reply to anything posted – but it does not do your credibility any good if you were to not even be so good as to actually summarise your belief.No one reading this thread would have any idea…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Terraricca, please tell me what you think it is that Jesus is meaning when he spoke about the Wind to Nicodemus. I am intrigued to hear what you have to say.“The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know whence it comes or whither it goes; so it is with every one who is born of the Spirit.” Nicode'mus said to…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Terraricca.You certainly have an interesting take on the definition of 'Body'. Please can you show me where you get your definition of 'Body' from.(By the way, when someone uses an ANALOGY, someone else is not meant to use the analogy object as reality. For instance, if someone said 'Some of Terraricca's posts are like a 'car crash' (A c…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Hi Mikeboll.You said that Jesus did not say that a Spirit did not have a body. Ok, you are right – only in that he did not use that Exact wording. But Mikeboll, what IS a living body (I mean, a body of a living being as opposed to, say, a body of water?)Here is a definition of 'Body' concerning a living being: 'The physical structure of a p…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Mikeboll,Can you deny that the word 'Appeared' and 'Manifested' are synonymous.Now considering that the definition of 'Spirit' is 'Bodiless' it then makes sense that:'An Angel of the Lord manifested itself to them'is just as valid as:'An Angel of the Lord appeared to them'Mikeboll, if a Spirit is normally invisible, what must occur for that Spirit…[Read more]
toby replied to the topic Do spirits have bodies? in the forum Truth or Tradition 12 years, 9 months ago
Mikeboll, let's forget Spirit in a Human Being because it is clear to me now why you decided to dismiss it in the first place… It is clear that the Spirit of the Human Being does not have a Body but is 'Constrained' in the Body of Flesh of the man – which is what Gene says.This is the same as what you yourself are saying concerning the Spirit of…[Read more]
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