tigger replied to the topic Jesus merely a man, God, a god, an Angel, Son of God, what does the bible teach? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
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What’s with all the venom concerning JWs and Michael? Whether Jesus is Michael or not is not of greatest importance except to some Trinitarians. But they certainly are not the only (nor the first) to make the claim.
Quotes From Scholars Concerning Jesus as Michael the Archangel
From early Christian writings until n…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Jesus merely a man, God, a god, an Angel, Son of God, what does the bible teach? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
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What’s with all the venom concerning JWs and Michael? Whether Jesus is Michael or not is not of greatest importance except to some Trinitarians. But they certainly are not the only (nor the first) to make the claim.
Quotes From Scholars Concerning Jesus as Michael the Archangel
From early Christian writings until n…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Jesus merely a man, God, a god, an Angel, Son of God, what does the bible teach? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
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What’s with all the venom concerning JWs and Michael? Whether Jesus is Michael or not is not of greatest importance except to some Trinitarians. But they certainly are not the only (nor the first) to make the claim.
Quotes From Scholars Concerning Jesus as Michael the Archangel
From early Christian writings until n…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“It sounds like you are discarding those variations that disagree with your conclusion. Some Trinitarians believe God is God’s proper name and that is one your discard.”
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I discard examples that Trinitarian scholars also discard. For example:
Personal names such as “Jesus,” “Abraham,” “Mary,” etc. should not be…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“It sounds like you are discarding those variations that disagree with your conclusion. Some Trinitarians believe God is God’s proper name and that is one your discard.”
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I discard examples that Trinitarian scholars also discard. For example:
<b>Personal names</b> such as “Jesus,” “Abraham,” “Mary,” etc. should…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“There is no preposition in the sentence that applies to the high priest clause.
“Even English translations do not use a preposition.”
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As explained before, a nominative noun modified by a genitive (an “of” noun) are included in “prepositional” constructions and are, therefore,…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Tigger,
There is no preposition in the sentence that applies to the high priest clause.
Even English translations do not use a preposition.
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As explained before, a nominative noun modified by a genitive (an “of” noun) are included in “prepositional” constructions and are, therefore, improper examples.
18:13…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“In John 18:13 the words ēn archiereus correspond to ēn theos in John 1:1 which reveals that those Trinitarians that claim God describes the qualities of the word have a case.
“There is also an instance where the word ēn preceding a nominative is translated ‘was a’.”
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John 18:13 does not co…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“In John 18:13 the words ēn archiereus correspond to ēn theos in John 1:1 which reveals that those Trinitarians that claim God describes the qualities of the word have a case.
“There is also an instance where the word ēn preceding a nominative is translated ‘was a’.”
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John 18:13 does not co…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“The Koine Greek definite is not the equivalent of our definite as in order to be a nominative there must be a definite preceding it. I looked at some other examples and saw no exceptions. Even with name the Greek language speakers would say rough equivalent of <i>the Tigger</i> when addressing you in the nominative. Fro…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
In my full study of John 1:1c, I have listed all the predicate nouns (not all nouns of course) found in John’s writings. If you examine the list you will find that many of them are preceded by ‘an.’ which means that they are nominative nouns that do not have the definite article. Notice how many nominative case nouns do not use the article th…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
“I dropped the not.
“So far I have found nowhere where a nominative noun is not preceded by the definite article.
“Sorry about that.”
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But that’s what I’m referring to. You have not read Lesson B which gives a number of examples of the nominative noun anthropos without the article being…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin,
I’m glad you are (sort of) examining John’s usage, but you obviously are not carefully reading what I have written!
PLEASE read my first post on this page which ends with: “Apparently you still have not read the first two lessons or you wouldn’t be making such errors.” Nor have you clicked on the link in that post.
If you don’t even re…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
In English translations the initial capital letter is very important to the meaning. There is only one God (the Father alone), but there are many gods.
‘A god’ at John 1:1c is more sensible than ‘God.’ More important for this discussion is the fact that John’s own grammar and usage prove it! I’m sorry that you won’t even give it a chance, but t…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Ed J wrote:
“Hi Tigger,
“You mean the definition of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”;
“EL-o-heem” does indeed define as all three of those,
but also as #4…4) God
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.
Now which of the “four” (4) definitions do you think
JEHOVAH was referring to when he said the following…“ye are even my witnesses.
Is there ‘a…[Read more]tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Ed J wrote:
“Hi Tigger,
“You mean the definition of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”;
“EL-o-heem” does indeed define as all three of those,
but also as #4…4) God
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.
Now which of the “four” (4) definitions do you think
JEHOVAH was referring to when he said the following…“ye are even my witnesses.
Is there ‘a…[Read more]tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
@Ed J
I believe Lesson B tells you that “a god” and “gods” are used in scripture for God’s angels, earthly kings, and judges. There is also a very long list of sources there where I found Trinitarian scholars confirming that fact.
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Kerwin wrote:
“I looked through a few verses of John 1 and the nominative form of a noun is always procee…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
@Ed J
I believe Lesson B tells you that “a god” and “gods” are used in scripture for God’s angels, earthly kings, and judges. There is also a very long list of sources there where I found Trinitarian scholars confirming that fact.
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Kerwin wrote:
“I looked through a few verses of John 1 and the nominative form of a noun is always procee…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
theos is the same word as the theou and theon so any noun whose form ends with “s” may requite the definite article.”
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Kerwin,
John 1:1c uses the nominative form ‘theos.’ That is one important reason why we need to see John uses this same case throughout his writings. Another important reason is that the nomina…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin wrote:
“Tigger,
<i>theos </i>is the same word as the <i>theou </i>and <i>theon </i>so any noun whose form ends with “s” may requite the definite article.”
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Kerwin,
John 1:1c uses the nominative form ‘theos.’ That is one important reason why we need to see how he uses this same case throughout his writings. Another import…[Read more]
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