Istari, thankyou for your help.Bod, thats right what Istari said.Also, Peter calls himself the “Father” of Mark in 1st Peter, “And so does Mark, my son“.John said, “My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”  And,  “No greater joy c…[Read more]

Oh, ok.

Hi Ed, welcome back.What are you testing? haha.

Mike, do I have this right? Please correct me if I don't: 1) You, once, here on this forum, believed, and agreed with two others, that God had a body like us (eyes, arms, so on),2) And then, Jesus, was risen in spirit (only), You seem to have had it back to front.God is spirit, Jesus is body (form), scripture.Make this clear, I'm not accusing you…[Read more]

Bod, I can't give an explanation, I had never noticed that, I'll have to ask someone.

Quote (Pastry @ May 16 2011,19:44)Shimmer!  Did you know Mr.. Armstrong or the Church Members He started?  If you did, you would not compare Him with the Mormons….In fact I don't even remember what Mr. Armstrong believed as far as Spirit beings are concerned….Question in1Cr 15:42   So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in co…[Read more]

Mike, you need to expand your mind, look around, google some, your limiting your mind to just heavennet, just 3 people's agreement with you.Jesus was a Jew, he thought like a Jew, and of course Jesus knew God before, it pays to look into Jewish thought.Istari was right all along with this.Find me one source that agrees with you, and that God has…[Read more]

Mike, Serious debate?Well why isnt this in debates then? Your missing the point of the word FORM which followed after what I quoted.I'll requote the rest of it in context:Since the angels do not have bodies, what separates the form of the various angels from one another is that each one is below the level of the other and exists by virtue of its…[Read more]

More (anom) Jewish thought:Quote;The story about Moses being in the cleft of the rock and being able to see God's back as he went by is a beautiful, intensely moving, metaphor – not something literal. It's always been quite clear in Judaism that God is totally abstract, ineffable. No body!All this is image and metaphor, not literal….Definitely…[Read more]

Bod, they taught two different things though. Paul believed in Jesus as the son of God, who came from Heaven down to Man, who spoke the words of the Father, and who was crucified and died and was risen from the dead, just as the other Disciples and Apostles and Teachers did.But Mohammad came along much later and taught something else. Weve already…[Read more]

Judaic thought on this I quote the following,Form and MatterEverything which the Holy One, blessed-be-He, created in His universe comes into one of three categories: Creations made up of a combination of form (TzuRA) and matter (ChoMeR). These are constantly coming into being and ceasing to exist: for example, the bodies of man and animals, plants…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 15 2011,02:20)Quote (shimmer @ May 14 2011,13:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,12:19)Hi Shimmer,So then you are devoid of sin?  You personally have NO sin at all that separates you from God?You miss my point……………perhaps on purpose.  Let me try another example to drive my point home.  (Note:  This is the tim…[Read more]

Bod, I don't want to debate with you. Weve said all this before. Bod, Love to you and your Family.

Bod, Jesus as the son of God followed his Fathers words. So he is the leader and the others were to follow him. First there were the Disciples, and then there were the Apostles such as Paul, who took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

Quote (Pastry @ May 14 2011,12:29)Shimmer!  Scripture says that there are natural bodies, and spiritual bodies.  Whats the difference???….1Cr 15:35 ¶ But some will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?   1Cr 15:36   fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:   1Cr 15:37   And that which thou s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,12:19)Hi Shimmer,So then you are devoid of sin?  You personally have NO sin at all that separates you from God?You miss my point……………perhaps on purpose.  Let me try another example to drive my point home.  (Note:  This is the time when certain people here claim, “I answered Mike's question, but he just doe…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2011,11:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,16:42)Pierre,I'm confused.  Are these three really patting each other on the back while refusing to answer very simple points we've made?  Too funny, man!  Istari, in one post, you mention Jesus' words that spirits ARE like the wind…………but also YOUR assertion that sp…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,10:42)So Shimmer, could you do me the solid of actually ANSWERING my question to you?  Could you tell me what it is that separates the Being of God from the being of Shimmer?Mike, sin (seperates us from God).Theosis is the drawing near to God (you should read up on it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Or…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 14 2011,10:29)Shimmeri can not respond we are out of topicPierrePierre, your right.

Istari thanks, I liked your post, funny. And Gene I like that – 'little one' thats like in the Bible. I guess were all 'little ones' arent we.