Mike, I still can't understand WHY you would think I would agree with someone JUST to be nice? Have you ever looked back on any of my debates? I have to laugh at that. Haha.

Mike, ransom sacrifice, raised as a spirit only is all straight from the JWs. I was reading back on this thread. David quoted exactly what Irene is saying straight out of their literature.

But you see then again Istari could be right. Good post Istari. This is where I'm not sure.

Mike,Do Angels have a Body? NO.Does God have a Body? NO.Angels can change into something like a Body when coming into our Earth.Does Jesus have a Body in Heaven now?  Well, according to Scripture from what I understand of it, Yes – Jesus does. Not like ours though.THIS IS WHAT I'V BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.

Istari and Gene I think we are really wasting our time here. I don't know WHO Mike is agreeing with. Goodbye!

Irene, a ransom and the denial of the bodily resurrection of Christ is nothing but the text of the JWs. And you say you didn't learn it from them? And Mike what are you saying? I agree with Istari because I AGREE. Don't think I would agree with someone just because I like them. I'm not that stupid.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2011,12:16)Quote (shimmer @ July 11 2011,17:35)I'm not saying they are the deciever and antichrist I am saying they have learnt WRONG and YOU don't seem to careI do care for both of them, Shimmer – as well as for you.  But what you showed me changed the way I believed about this subject.  And if you remember, Pierre, I…[Read more]

Mike and Irene,Irene, the issue of Mary not recognising Jesus etc I addressed that quite a while back. My head is tired (didn't get much sleep last night – I was up reading all night) so I really cannot think right now! And Mike too. Plus my son keeps talking… Later!

All,I was reading Tertullian last night. I don't agree with all the Early Church Fathers. It's only Mans view. But, heres what Tertullian in 180AD said of Pauls writings – 1st Corin 15:All flesh is not the same flesh; meaning not to deny a community of substance, but a parity of prerogative—reducing the body to a difference of honour, not of na…[Read more]

Thanks, I'll read it.

Just post whatever you feel to post Happyman. Thank you, and EdJ too. Sometimes we do feel moved to say something, or may read some really interesting writing, and just want to share it. Without starting up a whole conversation or a debate. I witnessed this on another forum. A Man started up a thread – over 300 pages of quoted updates on the…[Read more]

Mike, ok. Irene, I believe Istari has answered your points really well in the post above and the page before. Some things I was thinking of myself today, and Istari has put it into words better than I could.

Thanks Ed.

Terrarica, that was just coincidence I was reading that chapter tonight. What is it you are saying? How can it be? I don't know. But I can understand how wicked will be ashes – and bad gone forever so people will be in peace and happiness on the Earth. I'm seeing that now, I never did before. I thought people all just went to Heaven.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2011,14:27)Will any of the “Omnipresent” people address my point?If God is truly omnipresent, then He is everywhere WITHOUT EXCEPTION.  If that is the case, God fills up the space that is you and me.  And if it is God who occupies the space that is us, then wouldn't we BE God?It would also mean that God occupies the s…[Read more]

Gene and Istari, good posts from you both…

Was reading this tonight, couldn't help but notice the last words. So I'll post the whole thing…False Prophets and Empty Oracles 9 My heart within me is broken Because of the prophets; All my bones shake. I am like a drunken man, And like a man whom wine has overcome, Because of the LORD, And because of…[Read more]

Irene,Irene, I have seen HUGE changes in you since the time I was first here, GOOD changes. Irene, the only reason I came down so hard on you and Mike especially and Terrarica, is because I CARE.  Most of the time when I post here it's just my inquisitive mind, full of error, trying hard to find and understand thing's.  I have HUGE distractions i…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 12 2011,11:25)Mikeboll's LAST STRAW is to DEMAND FROM SHIMMER an answer to how Paul is looking forward to having his body transform to that like jesus has and becoming a citizen of Heaven.Mike doesn't understand what 'Being a Citizen' means even as he should know that Paul was a citizen of Rome, conforming to the rules, laws,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 12 2011,10:34)Quote (terraricca @ July 11 2011,01:47)your questions are all answered in this topic but you only believe in you or the way you see it fitRight Pierre,Not only have they been answered by scriptures, but also by the experts that HE HIMSELF linked us to.  I quoted all six of those experts after he gave us the…[Read more]