Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2014,00:42)Hi Wm,These verses talk about things happening that had not come to God's mind:Jer 19:5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind;Jer 7:31  “They have built the high places of…[Read more]

I love the movie “Paycheck” (how many films have the engineer as the hero). SPOILER ALERT the hero worked out solutions through unlikely scenario by seeing the results of a possible course of action (seeing the future). However it would seem far more impressive if a being can proclaim an outcome trusting in His ability to work at a handicap in…[Read more]

2besee,It shows that God is all knowing (at least for some of us He has to keep a running total that changes daily). The question I'm asking is beyond an educated guess does God know my actual total for this coming Sunday?Wm

Marty,Are those scriptures a proclamation of a future event foreseen, or are they statements of a God whose character, knowledge, and power will bring them to pass. Just searching for truth – Wm

Gene,I agree that God can and does use evil, but disagree that God can be the source or creator of evil.Wm

I believe it is better understood that if we allow sin a place, our desires become our master instead of the Lord.Wm

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,06:05)Seekingtruth.Let the scriprures be the judge.No on can be the judge.  2 Timothy 3:16   All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: wakeup.I agree that scripture is the standard by which we will be judged. However, w…[Read more]

Wakeup,We've both offered our opinions and the scriptures supporting them. I see no reason to continue our discussion any further, let others decide between us. However if anyone monitoring this still needs clarification on anything I've said, just let me know.Wm

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 02 2014,12:51)Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2014,03:01)Wakeup,Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way.…[Read more]

Wakeup,Yes, I am questioning at what level God knows the future (see Does god know the future? thread) but I'm NOT questioning the scriptures, I'm questioning the interpretation. As I pointed out above there seems to be some justification to do so but I can go either way. What I'm looking for is scriptures, not opinions.  In your case you been…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2014,16:22)sktit seems we have to repeat those verses over and over to wakeup ,but it seem as well it never reach his heart so that it stay inside him ,for some reason it get out ,and we have to bring those scriptures back to him ,strange man the wakeupI'm concerned that even when scripture flat out states a fact (God…[Read more]

Wakeup,I'll do one better, I'll give it to you in the wording from scripture. All the versions on Bible.cc state that unrighteousness “was found”.  found (found), find·ing, finds 1. To come upon, often by accident;. It does not say; at the appropriate time God exposed this 'built in flaw' but that it was 'discovered'. I believe scripture is s…[Read more]

Wakeup,God did, and He created him with free will, we're told in Ezekiel 28:15 “You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. it was through the free will, that even though he was blameless from his creation, sin was manifested in him.Wm

Wakeup,All I can say is you have a zeal: Romans 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. what you lack is maturity, the realization that God does not lack anything and is not reduced by having things He won't do that violate His nature (such as lie or create evil). I will stand by what the…[Read more]

wakeup,Your disagreement is with scripture, not me.Another scripture stating God cannot lie:Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago,Wm

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 31 2014,22:03)T.This is your own composition.Which the scriptures disagree with.God CAN lie if he wanted to, but does not lie.God CAN create evil,and He did create lucifer.All for us to know evil and good,so we can choose.wakeup.Wakeup,Scripture disagrees – Hebrews 6:18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossib…[Read more]

2besee,Wow, we're pretty close on this topic, good post above.Wm

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2014,20:45)Okay Wm,I'll add a third possibility to it.1.  God foresaw and therefore knew without a doubt what the Israelites would soon do.2.  God used His power to CAUSE the Israelites to go against Him, so He could punish them severely.3.  God was using something akin to human logical deduction (perhaps an “e…[Read more]

Actually the best verse I've seen to 'disprove' my postulation is Psalm 139:16 – Every one of the days we would live were allocated to us before we were born. however other translations render it as You could see my body grow each passing day. You listed all my parts, and not one of them was missing. so I'm not sure yet.Wm

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2014,17:32)This is a very good question. Most would no doubt say that he knows everything, implying that when he created Satan before he fell, he knew full well he would fall, and so loved him up until the point that he knew he would fall. Seems weird to my limited mind.But here is where I am now with this. God knows everything…[Read more]