BD,Your trying hard to miss the obvious, do you really not see how it fits?Wm

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 28 2009,14:26)Quote (seekingtruth @ July 28 2009,16:24)bodhitharta, You'll get no argument from me on the virtues of love, I'm a big proponent. But as to “working out your own salvation” one translation puts it “carry out to the goal” I believe this scripture does not mean method of salvation but the application of the…[Read more]

bodhitharta, You'll get no argument from me on the virtues of love, I'm a big proponent. But as to “working out your own salvation” one translation puts it “carry out to the goal” I believe this scripture does not mean method of salvation but the application of the salvation to our actions. Funny you should quote this scripture as just 3 verses…[Read more]

Quote Your post was quite excellent and yes God does love us and He is the scceptor of repentance.I agree with 99% of everything you said but I am saying that God loves us so much that all he has to do is simply accept us when we turn away from evil and live with Faith in HimGod simply does not need to sacrifice anything we he owns everything. If…[Read more]

Quote God doesn't need sacrifice HE OWNS EVERYTHING, what can we give to him that He might need? Our Obedience Obedience is better then sacrifice. But we find ourselves incapable of not messing this up (at least I do) Our trust in Him as a child.A relationship with us… He desires that no man perish, and although we are nothing compared to Him He…[Read more]

Quote Did Jesus pray to God to not allow his murder to happen?No He prayed “Your will not mine” Quote If God is sacrificing his son and his son is happy to die for your sins why pray for help?I fail to see the connectionQuote Still you never told me who was God trying to please by sacrificing someone miraculously made.Yes I did see above…[Read more]

He laid down His life or none could have taken it. The rest of your statement is meaningless meant only to elicit an emotional response.Wm

God did not put Jesus on the cross nor did He instruct it to be so. However the death of the blameless Son of God who offered Himself up, despising the shame, but for the glory set before Him He allowed sinful man to have their way and what satan meant for evil, God meant for good.My opinion – Wm

He sacrificed Jesus for us. The Father is, perfect justice. I believe that conflicted with His love in that to let our sins go unpunished would not provide justice to those suffering from the injustices. I also believe that it was the Fathers plan for man to have eternal life (hence the tree of life in the garden). If we had achieved eternal life…[Read more]

So what your saying is that the comparably simple requirements for random pulses to create the writing for these “Stu” posts, requires intelligence, but the infinitely more complexity of the world around us just happens…

Quote So already the evidence for the existence of Stu, whatever he or it might be, is overwhelming compared to the evidence for your god.Quote I just said the fact that there is writing is evidence that there is a writer, which is more evidence than there is for any godWhich statement is true? It was your words I was quoting.I would argue that…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 22 2009,09:11)Quote (seekingtruth @ July 22 2009,13:35)Quote (Stu @ July 22 2009,02:59)Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 22 2009,03:33)we know Christ's claims are trueYou don't know for sure he existed.  How can you know what he claimed?StuartDoes Stu really exist? After all since he says everything comes from nothing,…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ July 22 2009,02:59)Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 22 2009,03:33)we know Christ's claims are trueYou don't know for sure he existed.  How can you know what he claimed?StuartDoes Stu really exist? After all since he says everything comes from nothing, so I believe his posts are really just random pulses coalescing into…[Read more]

I like short ones better, it's easier to address one issue at a time. I always wonder when someone buries me in information, is their case so weak they couldn't suffice with a paragraph or two.My opinion – Wm

Quote (Stu @ July 15 2009,06:52)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2009,10:53)Quote (Stu @ July 14 2009,07:33)Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:10)stu disagrees with christiansThat will come as no surprise to most here!As you probably know there are 34,000+ denominations/sects of christianity, so it is also true that just about…[Read more]

Welcome amosbug,I've always been intrigued with the last days and open to speculation as long as it remains speculation. Many have been ruined by dogmatic interpretations which once unfulfilled leave those expecting, disappointed and discouraged. All of us believe various errors for a time and unfortunately some will last for life, however truth…[Read more]

Agreed, there are some whose teachings would make it difficult for any sincere believer to tolerate (nor should they unless as a light in dark places).My opinion, Wm

My opinion is that nothing talks louder then how we live our lives and respond to both blessings and trials. And most importantly the love we show to them.Wm

There are many who attend a “denomination” that realize that only some attending will be brothers and sisters and furthermore they realize that some of those attending other denominations or some not attending at all, are also fellow believers. None of us here believe exactly same and we will all answer for how we responded to truths delivered to…[Read more]

Quote 1 Corinthians 9 (Young's Literal Translation)19 for being free from all men, to all men I made myself servant, that the more I might gain; 20 and I became to the Jews as a Jew, that Jews I might gain; to those under law as under law, that those under law I might gain; 21 to those without law, as without law — (not being without law to God,…[Read more]