Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Quote (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19Incorrect – John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:5, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2, Heb 1:10.Hebrews 1:10 – and, `Thou, at the beginning, Lord, the earth didst found, and a work of thy hands are the heavens.”Out of all the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Quote (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19Incorrect – John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:5, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2, Heb 1:10.The next scripture given is Hebrews 1:2:in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Quote (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19Incorrect – John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:5, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2, Heb 1:10.The next scripture given is Colossians 1:16.Colossians 1:16hoti en autw ektisthee ta panta en toisBECAUSE IN HIM IT WAS CREATED THE ALL…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Quote (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19Incorrect – John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:5, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2, Heb 1:10.1 Corinthians 8:5 – For though there are things that are called “gods,” whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Quote (4) Jesus does not share the attribute of being the Creator with his God and Father. — Mark 10:16; 13:19Incorrect – John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:5, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2, Heb 1:10.Actually, if one examines closely all of the verses given, one will see that Jesus is not being called creator, but he is being referred to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)The concept of firstborn to the jewish mind relates to inheritance and preeminance/priority of position. Not reproduction. To use Col 1:15 to demonstrate a beginning to Yeshua's life is to misshandle the text.I don't know of any scripture in the Bible where the Jewish concept of the word “firstborn” does not…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Where is the verse that states the Father alone is the Most High God? Where is the verse that states Jesus isn't?The question asked seems to assume that Jesus is the Most High, and then put the onus upon anyone who disagrees with the assumption. The real burden of proof lies with the one making the assertion;…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 14 2008,13:04)Jesus is not the Father. Well yes. Modalists take note.In the scriptures, Jesus is neither his Father nor is Jesus his God. Jesus does indeed differentiate himself from the only true God who sent him. — John 17:1,3.All through the scriptures, Jesus is differentiated from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.God,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 12 2008,05:55)SOLYou continue to speak your Polytheistic theology without addressing my questions!What attributes does the Father have that the Son dosnt?  In what way is Jesus different in nature than God?So will we dwell in one another?Will we fill all things?Will we uphold all things by the word of our power?Will…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 01 2008,07:34)Hi Ron, FIRSTBORN CREATURE?Firstborn from the dead-yesThe beginning of the creation of God-yesThe evidence of the usage of the word “firstborn” allthrough the scriptures supports that firstborn of all creation inColossians 1:15 is partitive genitive, thus, the firstborn is indeed a part of the creation of…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Dec. 31 2007,10:39)Hello Ronald! I am not familiar with the Bible Student Movement, please explain who they are and what their beliefs are. From your post I think that you do not belief in a trinity, and I agree.The Bible Students movement began, in the sense that it is referred to today, with the ministry of Charles Taze…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 31 2007,10:20)I have a question that you can help me with.  First, yes, he is not under the huge pyramid.  And he clearly wasn't a mason, based on his words.  The images aren't necessarily masonic.  When was the pyramid put there?  And by whom?  Andy why?I am not sure exactly when the pyramid monument was built in the Rosem…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 30 2007,09:32)Hi ronday888.Welcome to Heaven Net. I haven't seen you here before.I will read your post later. A bit long, but will be interesting to see what you have to say.Actually, although it has been a long time since I posted, I am not actually new to Heaven net, but thanks for the welcome. For those who may not know, I am…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2006,05:44)Hello.I don't know why people persist with this nonsense that Jesus is not called the true God or the Almighty when 1John 5:20 and Revelation 1:8 clearly give him these titles. Not to mention the various passages speaking of Yahweh from the Tanakh applied directly to Jesus in the New Testament (e.g. Is.…[Read more]

Quote In Revelation 1:8. I am quoting from the Jehovah's Witness’s own Bible, and it reads, “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God.Ask the Jehovah's Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.” Then ask them, “How many Alphas and Omegas can you have?” They'll answer, “Only one.” They will agree t…[Read more]

Regarding 1 Thessalonians 4:16: For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first. The argument is often given that Jesus is accompanied by the voice of the archangel, and thus Jesus is not the archangel. However, the Greek word *en* does not…[Read more]

Many seem to think that if Jesus is Michael the archangel, that this would mean that Jesus was of the class of spirit beings usually referred to in the Bible as “angels”. This is not so. The archangel is not, has never been, and will never be, of the class that is referred to as “angels” in Hebrews 1:4-14.The word “archangel” designates Michael as…[Read more]

I am new to this forum, and although I have read many of the posts in this thread, I haven't read all of them.I thought I would post an excerpt from what I have written for the RL website concerning the “angel of Yahweh”, and maybe post more later.Quote from the online study:The Angel of YahwehThe angel of Yahweh who speaks for Yahweh is often…[Read more]