WJ, I noticed that you are saying that I should also call God “THEM” in at least one other topic because I believe that God works through Jesus. I wish you would put your effort into this debate first, otherwise you are making statements that are based on an incomplete understanding and that is not fair nor reasonable.The outcome of this debate…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,12:39)Mike,Jesus always had His divinity nature and with the incarnation, He also took on the nature of humanity.  He although glorified, still has these two natures even now and that is one reason He calls us 'brethren.'  According to His humanity, He is our mediator/intercessor/High Priest/Brother/the L…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,09:59)Mike,Jesus is God because He is the only begotten Son of God the Father.No he isn't.He is the son OF God, the Christ.This is the truth that the enemy wants to destroy because besides being the truth, it is the foundation of the Church, the very agency that has the power to destroy the works of the evil one. He…[Read more]

Wow kejonn is really clever.

Quote (Stu @ May 27 2011,23:10)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 23 2011,06:56)Nice side step. I was making a serious point though. What differentiates a Crocodile or Tuatara from the dinosaur?The tuatara belongs to a really old line of descent off which sprang the line to dinosaurs.  Tuataras are not dinosaurs.StuartRight, so the all the ones that were wiped…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ May 26 2011,23:43)Hi T8,You said “However, you say that this man has no aptitude for science.'That is not what I said at all.I said ” He shows no aptitude for sciencein my opinion.”Yes I know that you said opinion, without looking back at my post, I think I acknowledged that.My question was what was your qualifications for…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,07:08)Keith,Sometimes it is the Father who speaks to us and sometimes it is the Son, we can call either one of them 'Lord' and say the 'Lord spoke to me.'  Usually I just know that the impression or thought came from one of them but not sure which one and I don't know if it matters…if it did then that would be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2011,06:36)Exactly. If t8 would be honest then he would admit that when he says God spoke to him he would say “they” spoke to him since the Father only speaks by Jesus and the Holy Spirit.WJ, you are attempting to drag me into the mired situation you find yourself in.I talk to the Father in the name of Jesus it is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,14:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,19:56)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!I do.So…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,14:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,19:56)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!I do.So…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 15 2011,02:46)MikeYou and t8 insisted on people answering questions or threatened that we would get tiles if we don't.Wow, that sure gives you guys a hell of an edge doesn't it?That goes for ourselves too WJ.Of course we cannot answer every question that is ever asked, but if there is a question that we are…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 27 2011,11:53)T8,Than in other words you admit that you “dont know” what happened or how God created a world “through” Logos.Of course.We can only go by that which is revealed.What we know so far.God created all through him.The Logos became flesh and he was beheld as Jesus the son of God. We know that the Logos was WITH…[Read more]

The Logos was WITH God and God created all through the Logos. We are later told that the Logos is Jesus Christ whom the disciples beheld and who are witnessed to his glory. We know that he existed in glory with God before the world began and returned to that. How did this take place, I do not know because I wasn't there, but suffice to say that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 27 2011,02:00)Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,04:58)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,04:50)Hi KathiYou mean “collective Deities” don't you? WJTRINITY:The Father is the deityThe Son is the deityThe Spirit is the deity.There you go WJ, a collective of deities. t8Of course that is a misrepresentation of the Trinitarian…[Read more]

An image of God cannot be God that is an oxymoron.God is the source.There is no one true God that is not the source and creator of all.The one true God means what it says although the tendency for man is to change that, God wrote this into the first commandment.An image of God may have qualities of God however, thereby being qualified as “theos”…[Read more]

and thus being called wisdom from God also places him as a candidate for the wisdom that was the craftsman at his side.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 27 2011,02:52)t8If you move all the “creative stuff” back to the Father then that means Jesus did nothing in the creation of all things.You are contradicting scriptures for the scripture says “Not one thing came into being without him (Jesus)”. John 1:1-3WJNo it means that God created all things THROUGH him and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 27 2011,07:07)Quote (david @ May 26 2011,02:27)What do people think the word “through” means?I didn't sell my house myself but I sold it “through” my real estate agent. So the parallel would be…Jehovah didn't create all things himself but did it through Jesus?Isn't that what your example is saying?So how do you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,15:56)Hi t8,There are no articles in the Greek in this verse however they are added to the translation.1 Cor 1;24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.I think people make more out of the article than they should. For instance, sometimes it is there to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,16:00)Mike,Quote Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.Anyway, we should probably just keep our discussion in our discussion thread, ok?  I was asking Irene for her response in c…[Read more]