Quote (david @ June 25 2011,14:58)Without God, there is no saviour.  There is no anything.  He is the ultimate everything, including saviour.  How did he save us?THROUGH…THROUGH,………THROUGH Jesus.It is very simple to understand isn't it.But confusion reigns when the pride of man creates doctrines in order to be clever, but only end up ca…[Read more]

That is a big assumption LU.If a person lays his life down for me so I can live, does that make that person God?If a person delivers me from slavery, does that make him God?If a person dies for my sins, as the sacrificial lamb required by the Law, does that make him God?It is a very human response to say, wow that is the most amazing salvation…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ June 24 2011,17:48)Had you tried being an informed atheist at any stage?StuartAn informed Atheist is an oxymoron. Its like saying a wise fool. With regard to the meaning of life or the cause of all at least.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:33)Poppycock, but one that should be added to the Bizzaro Doctrine thread: Deliberately misinterpreting a clear scripture to pretend that it supports your doctrine.Amazing that some need to resort to misrepresentation to prove their doctrine.What is a person being saved from if their faith requires the old…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,04:50)To the Hebrews to claim you were the “Only Begotten Son of God” equated to being equal with God.Ha ha WJ.Being equal actually means that you are not that which you are equal to.e.g., 3+3=6 and so does 2+2+2=6But 3+3 is not 2+2+2. In nature they have the same end value.In identity, completely…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:10)Put them all in a hierarchy, Keith:1. Idols – really not a god at all.2. Human rulers – Powerful rulers, but not powerful supernatural beings who have sway over the affairs of mankind and nature.3. Angels and Demons – Powerful supernatural beings who DO have sway over humans and nature, and are often…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,10:43)Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,15:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,08:58)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:56)First question.Is Jesus the Heavenly Father according to this verse?t8It doesn't say “heavenly father” does it?WJThank you for taking the bait.I now reel you in with, “It doesn't say the Almighty (God)…[Read more]

Mike is right KJ.And you owe me an explanation as to the truth I pointed out regarding this in the debate we are having.Reinforcing your view which is currently been exposed as wrong in our debate is not wise.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,09:17)His name shall be called “Everlasting Father” because he is the source of all things to all of creation. Sure I call him “My” everlasting Father because the scriptures say he is!Be honest, besides now, when was the last time you referred to Jesus Christ as the Everlasting Father?Or for that matter, when…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,09:31)How many Saviors do you have?YHWH saved me through Jesus Christ.YHWH is the true saviour. Therefore one saviour who uses multiple agencies.Agencies = Jesus who died for me, the evangelist who led me to faith, angels who save me from calamities.How many Saviors do you have?Let me answer your own…[Read more]

“As we shall see, the concept of time has no meaning before the beginning of the universe. This was first pointed out by St. Augustine. When asked: What did God do before he created the universe? Augustine didn't reply: He was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions. Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ June 23 2011,22:06)The same could equally be said for you and what I wrote about spirituality.What value is spirituality based on things that just aren't true, like virgin birth, walking on the surface of water, walking again after being killed, and snakes chatting with humans?StuartI have been on both sides of the fence.Half my life…[Read more]

Yes organised religion for political power is one of the most abusive systems that was ever devised. A cunning idea I have to admit.They also reject much of what scripture says.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,08:58)Quote (t8 @ June 22 2011,16:56)First question.Is Jesus the Heavenly Father according to this verse?t8It doesn't say “heavenly father” does it?WJThank you for taking the bait.I now reel you in with, “It doesn't say the Almighty (God) Elohim” does it.Visualise yourself flapping on the concrete at this…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 24 2011,04:38)The substance is God.Scripture please.A third century doctrine that was made official by a Roman Emperor will not suffice.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 23 2011,09:11)By the way t8, do you call Jesus your Mighty God?  WJActually I don't call him that but have no problem with saying it the way it is meant here.Do you call him the Everlasting Father? Again, I do not, but have no problem with saying that in the context it was meant.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,06:21)JAThank you for verifying the truth that Jesus is YHVH.The scriptures emphatically claim it was by Jesus own life and blood that saved us for himself and that there is only “One Savior”.while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior”, Jesus Christ, “WHO GAVE H…[Read more]

Thanks for the demonstration Stu.You gave a live example to what those scriptures were saying.Might as well be a blind man saying “What is this colour green”.Of course this is lost on you.

Quote Real science is constrained by what is possible with the ….Let me finish the sentence without the extra detail.”the physical realm.”So it reads as”Real science is constrained by what is possible within the physical realm.OK, we are making progress.Now try and discern the following scripture:The man without the Spirit does not accept the…[Read more]

Justin Martyr (ca. 150 A.D) put it like this gene:he was begotten out of the Father by an act of will, just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word, yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word in us, when we give it out, and just as we see also happening in the case of a fire, which is not…[Read more]