Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2011,08:47)Do we? Do you believe Jesus is “One God” with the Father and the Holy Spirit?Is your “God” the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit?WJInterpretation:Do we believe that God is triune as Athanasius of Alexandra taught, or that there is one God the Father like Paul of Tarsus taught?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2011,05:12)How many Saviors do you have ED?WJYou have three.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.How many do you have EdJ?Can you beat WJ?

The point I was making WJ, is that God still creates us, even though we come from our mother. Who else created us?Our mother is the channel so to speak. She is the one who we are created through.I would have thought that you wouldn't need a scripture for that because it was self-evident.Or maybe I got the wrong end of the stick with your post?

Gene, you lack understanding. How is it that God created you through your parents if he created you alone?Can not your understanding comprehend that it is still God creating you alone, even if he does it through your parents?Have you not read that God created Eve through Adam?Please explain why this truth contradicts your view of God creating alone.

Quote (david @ June 27 2011,10:47)That's why we have names. If I refer to you as Gordon, chances are you won't respond to me.You never know.I tried it out in my previous post.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2011,09:21)t8,Quote Even Jesus is a son of the Most High except that he is the only begotten and firstborn. A big exception there t8.  A difference between deity and non deity.God is a 'Him' on one side of the equation but on the other side of the equation, the Father is a mighty God, the Son is a mighty God, and with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2011,12:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,15:46)There is but one Almighty God on one side of the equation which encompasses two mighty Gods and their Spirit on the other side of the equation, as I understand it.Your understanding makes us have TWO Gods, which is a heresy.  Not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2011,11:45)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2011,18:22)That is the problem you thing CHRISTOS is the Man Jesus, when in fact it is not him, but the Anointing which was GOD the FATHER that was (IN) HIM.Gene,Could you post the source that tells you “christos” means “anointing” instead of “anointed one”?The thing is Gene, is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2011,11:22)T8……… It also says it (Logos was God) too.Let's face it Gene, all things originate in God.All attributes are from God.And all that is external to God came from him originally.So was God and then was WITH God.I can accept both, but you cannot accept was WITH God.

Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19)You have never even explained the appearance of energy and matter in the universe and I have.Was it the Gravity God?Or something else.Please explain the appearance of energy and matter in the universe in your next post.Try to keep it short if you can.Then I will do the same.

Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19)I am ignorant about the “cause” of the universe,I have never had an answer here as far as I can remember.But if you are ignorant on a certain subject, then ridiculing what people say about a subject that you are ignorant of shows even further ignorance does it not?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:34)PoppycockThat would have been a good alternative name for this topic.

I should add that yes it says everlasting punishment.But what is the punishment that the wicked receive?Destruction is the punishment.Hence everlasting punishment is everlasting destruction.Never to be give life again.I don't see Justin Martyr teaching against this. Not in these quoted words of his at least.

Quote (Rena @ June 23 2011,20:41)Just some information on Justin Martyr.This (what follows) is what put me off reading the Early Church Fathers. You'll see it get's worse and worse as time goes on as you read it…Taken from here:http://www.bible.ca/H-hell.htm150 AD Justin Martyr: and we say that the same thing will be done, but at the hand of…[Read more]

Look at the evidence.The first to be WITH GodWisdom was given birth and was the first to be WITH God.In the beginning the Logos was WITH God.The son is the FIRST begotten of God.Wisdom, Logos, and the son are all identified or attributed to Jesus Christ.The one whom God created all things throughWisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 24 2011,00:36)If that is the case, then is it not possible in your thinking that the Logos was given birth or at some stage was WITH God? Because if that was possible, then God making everything through Christ as well as the Logos would make sense and you wouldn't have the difficulty of having to explain everything as…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,16:37)t8,When scripture distinguishes Jesus from God, it is God the Father who He is being distinguished from, not the begotten God which Jesus is.You are right that they are two persons.That is right. God in scripture is the Father.For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.This idea that there…[Read more]

It amazes me how some people really try hard to change truth into their own understanding.Whatever happened to just reading scripture and believing it.Having to apply a doctrine to all scripture, is as good as not having scripture as your base understanding.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2011,09:04)Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,18:19)How many Saviors do you have?Let me answer your own question.You have three according to your doctrine.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Not true, because the difference is Trinitarians believe “They are our theos/god” and “They are our Saviour” because you cannot have th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,12:57)David,This really isn't as complicated as you make it sound.  Peter really did believe that Jesus was His great God and Savior and that He was the Son of God…He distinguishes Jesus from His Father and thus shows that two distinct persons…the Father and the Son, are both called his God, one as the Son and…[Read more]