Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2011,02:09)Hi t8,I think what David has been asking is:  “WHY would you use it the same way?  If the word can mean “within”, but it can also mean “in your midst”, what other scriptures do you have to SUPPORT the “within” definition in Luke 17:21?”I gave the only other scripture that uses the same word 'entos'.Matthew 2…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 17 2011,03:20)Hi Gene,How about these verses?Even the of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:17)Rom.14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 17 2011,14:21)OK, I'm starting to get the idea that this is a main argument used to support the “kingdom of God is within people” idea.Here is why it is a bad argument:the holy spirit is not God's kingdom.An observant person would however see that the things of God and the relationship we have with God is from within.So I guess…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 16 2011,18:14)First,you didn't use “scriptures,” you used one scripture:”I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”Secondly, I believe it is applicable to believers, but not all believers.  When quoting this, we should also include the next verse;”Unless anyone is born from water and…[Read more]

Yes Mike it is not about JWs.I was replying to one though, so I was giving him some reasons why the Kingdom of God is within us, using scriptures that david doesn't think is applicable to believers, (born again) hence I kind of shortened the process of toing and froing by cutting to the chase.And I agree that the Kingdom if it is within us was in…[Read more]

OK.The Kingdom of God is invisible.david, your organisation is visible, I see them once every 5 years on average.Your organisation also doesn't believe that we can be born again.But Jesus taught this to a Pharisee of all people:“I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”So the kingdom can only be seen or…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 15 2011,17:00)T8, I believe you are doing here what Gene likes to do. You are compiling a lot of different ideas and mixing them up. This is why quoting scriptures is so important.That is right.At this stage I was making an argument based on how we are one with God and Jesus (which is scripture) and the kingdom possibly being…[Read more]

Some people have no idea that no free will means you are a robot, and free will carries a risk, i.e., that we could choose against the will of the one who made us.But love requires free will. Risky, yes.Ultimately however, eternal life is given to those who choose God, so creation is populated by beings that are aligned with God in an eternal…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Sep. 10 2011,18:05)WHAT IS GOD’S KINGDOM?As you said, a government.   Does it make sense that a government is within us?  Was gods kingdom within the Pharisees?   I would really like an answer.OK david.I just read your post after I posted my previous one (ignoring the Adam and Steve one), and in hindsight, I have already touc…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 11 2011,01:30)He put Adam and Even on it and wanted them to take paradise and spread it over the earth.Did you mean Adam and Eve or Adam and Steven?

Hi david,It appears that many translations say, in the midst or among you while the KJV says within you.Usually that would have some weight in my assessment as I think the KJV often stands alone and is also wrong on some of those stances.However, the word among or within is entos {en-tos'} which is also used in Matt. 23:36.Thou blind Pharisee,…[Read more]

The JWs are an exlusive club with exclusive doctrines just like many other organisations. They are no different to the Mormons, RCC, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.While they have a number of doctrines and beliefs that I agree with, such as God is the Father alone, so do other organisations have doctrines and beliefs I agree with such as the RCC,…[Read more]

JW's do not see being born again as applicable to Christians/Believers with the exception of 144,000.So they believe that they cannot receive the spirit and be born from above, but will be flesh being on Earth forever.Perhaps this is why they do not understand the Kingdom of God can be in them if that interpretation is correct.They see the kingdom…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 15 2011,02:12)Hi All! So confusing… but Georg agree's with Gene… that the Soul is the body….His explanation is that first that God did not give us the Soul, we became a Living Soul.Hi Irene.But it is also possible that Adam was a soul housed in a body, and became a living soul when the spirit or breath of God entered…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2011,00:59)T8………..I try to consider all scripture in this understanding, of Body , Soul and Spirit. When Jesus told us to fear him who could destory (now please notice) “BOTH” Body and Soul (IN) the Grave. He did not use Body soul and spirit, why?But does that not support the idea that body soul and spirit are…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 14 2011,16:48)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 13 2011,19:21)I should also mention that those who reject God, rightly do not get to live forever with the one who they CHOOSE to reject.I think that you should understand that. After all it is very fair. I don't like you, love you, and do not even acknowledge you exist. And then God says live with…[Read more]

Stu, are you sure about that.Read the quote: I have no time to verify everything I quote, but feel free to read it and challenge it yourself.Taken from http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.htmlI am not vouching for this site either. I have never visited it before, so I am not sure what they teach.=====================Einstein himself…[Read more]

I started a KJV thread here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=3969

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 14 2011,02:36)I HAVE EVERY RESPECT IN ALL THE REST,BUT KJV one of the oldest and I prefer whenever there is LORD remain LORD and whenever ther’s GOD remains GOD not make use of JEHOVAH the way translators feel like to please their own passion.One of the oldest based on newer manuscripts.The Dead Sea Scrolls are older a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 14 2011,02:02)T8………..Yes if you break down all the components three is what you get, but One is the complete component. For instance you example of North America, South America, Americas, The word Americas represents the total of them all. They are all the Americas. The same with Body Soul and Spirit, the word…[Read more]