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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    John 6:62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Who among you can give the best explanation to make this mean otherwise to what it is saying?Get crackin boyz. There's some work to be done.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Why is it bad news or wrong to some to say that Jesus existed with divine nature (form of God), emptied himself, took on flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and is at the right-hand of the majesty on high in the glory that he had with him before the world began.Who denies this denies scripture and the revelation of who Jesus is and…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,14:02)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54)Pierre,Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me?  Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?Mike I would not do that unless i ask you  :D  :D  :D I am a senior not senile PierrePierre,Do you have to get per…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54)Pierre,Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me?  Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?Nonsense.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,07:39)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 13 2011,07:00)Not only does scripture teach that Jesus was with the Father before the world began, but so does the Book of Enoch.In addition, the second century fathers also believed this.But the fact that the bible teaches this is enough.To teach this has nothing to do with being hell…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    I wonder if the Pharisees said the same thing about Jesus and co.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Snippet from the Book of Enoch========================XLVIII. The Fount of Righteousness: the Son of Man -the Stay of the Righteous: Judgement of the Kings and the Mighty.48And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousnessWhich was inexhaustible:And around it were many fountains of wisdom:And all the thirsty drank of them,And were filled with…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Not only does scripture teach that Jesus was with the Father before the world began, but so does the Book of Enoch.In addition, the second century fathers also believed this.But the fact that the bible teaches this is enough.To teach this has nothing to do with being hell bent.Try heaven bent.

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 13 2011,01:38)This is a question primarily for T8, but anyone can answer, of course.Can something come from nothing?  Let's put it to the test with a specific example:Where did God come from?A) Someone, (i.e. an intelligent being)B) Something, (i.e. a non-intelligent thing)C) Nothing, (i.e. nothing)If I understand the…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2011,13:40)t8 said:Jesus is the image of the invisible God and the fullness of the deity in bodily form.This means that the invisible eternal spirit the Father who is above all cannot be seen.me: i think this is vague. pls explain this again. jesus is the image of the invisible GOD. this is clear in john 1:18. no one has…[Read more]

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    The thing is, someone must be getting the money.Who is it?China?

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    Jesus is the image of the invisible God and the fullness of the deity in bodily form.This means that the invisible eternal spirit the Father who is above all cannot be seen. We can see his glory however, and Jesus is the fullest expression of his glory.When men saw God face to face, they saw the messenger of YHWH.For example when you read about…[Read more]

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    Bod, it is this that you do not believe and hence why you are not a believer.God didn't want to sacrifice his son, no Father would.But he did it anyway because he knew first and foremost that he could raise him from the dead, and in doing so, he could take all those that believe with him.

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    Gene. Spirit is the essence of life.Without a spirit you do not live.It would be more like electricity (life/power) for a computer than the data held in the computer or the software that uses the data.If you took away power to a computer, it would have no soul and the case (body) would be good for nothing.God's spirit gives us life primarily and…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 12 2011,10:19)t8,The sword is one of the representive spiritual divises (powerful weapons for protection in fighting – armour) that are used to fight off the wiles (schemes, strategies, deceits) of the devil (Ephesians 6:11). Clearly the sword represents Father Yahweh's inspired word.I agree, however, truth is also from…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17)Perhaps the best analogy would be to ask what colour irony is.Something that is made of iron.e.g., that coat of armour is very irony.

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    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2011,18:17)It makes no difference to the reality of it how many times I explain it. You did modify your claims about evolution somewhat, but I don't think you will modify your nonsense rhymes regarding the origins of the cosmos, because I don't think you have the capacity to understand it.Stu, in one sentence what is the…[Read more]

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    Does anyone know where the New Zealand earthquake topic went to.I thought it was in Prayer, but can't find it anywhere.

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    God spoke through his prophets and now his son.Yes that is right. It doesn't say that God spoke through the prophets and then himself.God doesn't speak through himself, but as himself or through others.

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