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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    For the benefit of those who love the truth, I offer this.A man who believes that God doesn't exist is a fool according to God and thus we believe God's judgement.We should call no man a fool based on our own standards.God is the ultimate judge and if he says someone is a fool, then they are a fool because God is true.We wary of men who make…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Enough said.You demonstrate what manner of man you are and who would listen to your teaching or doctrine after that display.Your fruits are in line with your doctrine it seems.A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree bad fruit.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic testing in the forum Test Posts 14 years, 9 months ago

    Yes it was the Americans that invented HTML and IB code.And I have been to Australia a number of times and love it there.:)

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,07:18)t8,If what you say is true, then Yahshua would also be lost and he also would have been doing opposite of what Scripture says to do, since he would have called you a fool along with the foolish Galatians. BUT! You are wrong as usual!Not so Frank.Calling a person a fool is different to saying they are…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    John 6:62Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!John 6:38“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.They are completely different scriptures with different words.You need to explain away both, not one and use that to nullify the other.As I said earlier, there is a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,06:54)t8,I see that you did not even bother to read the articles! What a fool you are!Frank.Your post shows you have clearly lost.Scripture warns about calling people fools.And you have done the opposite of what scripture says not to do.This is a sign as to what you do with scripture elsewhere.

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2011,03:32)So, without begging the question, what evidence do you have for your god?Wrong topic WIT.This is about a creator.Once you can see that a creator is the only viable option, then you can move onto base 2, which is who that God is.And knowing who God is is obviously not in the realm of science but…[Read more]

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2011,03:32)You are not presenting evidence. You are begging the question.WIT, I am using the process of deduction and simply make a fair argument about each of the 3 possible options that we have to choose from.If I am wrong, then show where I have erred in my argument.

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    WIT.Start with the evidence now.We exist in a universe. We are alive.The universe is technologically speaking way beyond our understanding.So how did it happen?There are only 3 explanations.An infinite creatorAn infinite dead thingNothing.We know that the last option is impossible.So we are left with 2 contenders.I simply point out the odds of…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 14 2011,01:30)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,13:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54)Pierre,Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me?  Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?Mike,I have no problem with those who “worship” the Messiah. In fact, I myself “worship” the Messiah, since he is most…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,04:58)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 13 2011,18:51)John 6:62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Who among you can give the best explanation to make this mean otherwise to what it is saying?Get crackin boyz. There's some work to be done.t8,I have previously presented the following before, but…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 14 2011,01:52)T8……….I have told you and others here many times GOD via the LOGOS was TRULY (IN) Jesus, now let me explain if GOD willing. Pay attention brother.John 6:39………… And this is the “WILL” of him that Sent “ME,” (HOLY SPIRIT) or LOGOS, speaking, (IT) was (IN) Jesus the MAN, “that everyone that sees…[Read more]

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 13 2011,15:45)The evidence that matter and energy has existed forever is exactly the same as the evidence that God has existed forever, (i.e. none).Not so.If we rule out nothing as being the source, then we are left with 2 infinite possibilites.1) A creator2) A dead non-aware thing.Which of the two could produce life?1) A…[Read more]

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    WIT, I will let you argue with Stu over that one.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    John 6:62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Who among you can give the best explanation to make this mean otherwise to what it is saying?Get crackin boyz. There's some work to be done.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Why is it bad news or wrong to some to say that Jesus existed with divine nature (form of God), emptied himself, took on flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and is at the right-hand of the majesty on high in the glory that he had with him before the world began.Who denies this denies scripture and the revelation of who Jesus is and…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,14:02)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54)Pierre,Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me?  Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?Mike I would not do that unless i ask you  :D  :D  :D I am a senior not senile PierrePierre,Do you have to get per…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54)Pierre,Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me?  Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?Nonsense.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,07:39)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 13 2011,07:00)Not only does scripture teach that Jesus was with the Father before the world began, but so does the Book of Enoch.In addition, the second century fathers also believed this.But the fact that the bible teaches this is enough.To teach this has nothing to do with being hell…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    I wonder if the Pharisees said the same thing about Jesus and co.

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