Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 15 2011,10:04)T8……..> When Paul said that Jesus was already gone from earth , Paul was relating about his time on earth as a Human being, You preexistences move that time to before he even existed on earth Paul was talking about His earth existence, can't you understand that.No Gene, the order is completely…[Read more]

Not everything you say is wrong Gene, but you are against the scriptures that talk about Jesus existed in the form of God and emptying HIMSELF and COMING in the flesh.In fact you deny both the divine nature and the coming in the flesh because you say that he didn't have divine nature or exist in the form of God and then as a result he neither…[Read more]

WIT are you asking me for personal testimony or examples of my experiences with God?Cause I can provide that too.

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 15 2011,08:20)Why won't you simply provide some physical evidence for god, so that we can properly consider it in your logical construct?You want finite physical evidence for a infinite spirit God?No wonder you are not getting it.The only proof you get physically speaking is the design in the universe itself and the fact…[Read more]

Thanks.

WIT, your other options still fit within the framework of:SomeoneSomethingNothingThey seem like they fit in the Something category, although the seed of conscience is the Someone category.The reason for the latter is because conscience means with knowledge (con=with + science=knowledge).To have knowledge is to have a mind and to possess the…[Read more]

What you fail to realise Gene is that angels can come in the appearance of men.And we know that Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself and came in the flesh.You deny that he existed in the form of God.But we are simply believing that which is written.Give us one good reason as to why we should believe you over scripture.I don't think…[Read more]

Hi theodorej. As I am not from the States, I am not that aware of the situation regarding crime in the USA.However, for me there was enough truth in what the preacher said when looking at Africa.Much of Africa suffers greatly and that is very sad. Even after receiving a lot of aid, the problems persist.Something needs to be done to help Africans…[Read more]

False analogy does lead to false conclusions, but when we say that God created everything and you imagine that he wasn't smart enough to create processes in order to create everything, then that lack of understanding comes from you not us. Is not God the lawgiver. And is not the physical universe subject to laws.When man ignites an atomic bomb is…[Read more]

My next trip is likely to be Perth and the surrounding outback there.Would also like to check out that coral reef near Exmouth.Otherwise Alice and Uluru looks good too.

Actually I thought he was saying that generally the white man has helped the black man out in this area and the preacher was saying that they (the black man) should help themselves not need to rely on the white man for such things. He was saying the opposite thing to relying on the white man. He made the point that the lack of acknowledgement in…[Read more]

WIT, please feel free to add to the current list.A creatorSomething not livingNothingBecause you cannot add anything else here, I have then covered all bases.So then the process of deduction begins.But if my process is flawed, then you should be able to add point 4 to unflaw it.The fact that you cannot or haven't so far simply means that my…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,11:26)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 14 2011,11:10)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,10:46)The word “WITH”, by definition, indicates TWO or more separate things that are in close proximity to each other. I believe Father Yahweh and His word are in close proximity to each other!Blow the trumpets.We have progress.And Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,10:46)The word “WITH”, by definition, indicates TWO or more separate things that are in close proximity to each other. I believe Father Yahweh and His word are in close proximity to each other!Blow the trumpets.We have progress.And Jesus is the Word of God.In fact the whole Book of John is about who Jesus is.And…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,10:30)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 14 2011,10:28)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,10:19)Yahweh's word was with Him in the beginning and still is with Him and is a part of Him.For God sake man.Who in their right mind would concur with that logic.t8,Certainly not an illogical fool such as you!  Let me interpet that for…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2011,09:19)You've demonstrated with your last few posts that you still don't understand this – or that you don't want to understand it.I fully understand it.But having a belief in black holes to begin with doesn't negate good science or thinking as to their existence.If it did, then you to are afflicted because you do…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 14 2011,09:19)Actually, I created this thread, so I am pretty sure that I know what the topic is.OK, so you concur that it is not about “Who God is”.And there is no point in making that an argument anyway, as I said before, arguing over who someone is doesn't eliminate that this person exists. Often it means the opposite…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 14 2011,10:37)Mike,You big fool! Read the articles that I have previously presented!Mike says “Ahhh! I can't see! I can't see!” Try wiping the “Jesus pre-existed his birth!” matter from your eyes!Let me interpret what you are really saying Frank.Mike.I am in danger of hell fire in the context of calling you a fool.Read…[Read more]

Further explanation of my above comment.Can only concur with that logic if the Word was someone or something else to God himself.