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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 19 2011,03:27)T8………..If you fear God then you would believe what Jesus Said right?. Where did Jesus ever say he has a “PREEXISTENT” Life, before his earth existences. and the scriptures you speak of were changes in many way a long time ago forcing the text, the very words you guy's hang on to are themselves…[Read more]

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 18 2011,09:53)I asked this question once before in a different way.  I asked, “Is there anything that Christians all agree on?”  The fact of the matter is that there as many versions of Christianity as there are Christians.There is one truth and that truth is not Christianity.It is Christ.Christianity comprises all the o…[Read more]

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 18 2011,09:53)Is there anything that Christians all agree onThere is a foundation to the faith which is spelled out in scripture in a number of places. This foundation is absolute. Everything else is a variable. Variables allow opinion in that scripture might not have enough information leaving some speculation and usually…[Read more]

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2011,13:24)Christianity is a hodgepodge of ideas about Jesus ChristIn fact all religions are a hodgepodge of ideas about Jesus Christ. Islam says this, Moonies, say that, Catholics say this, JWs say that. I personally do not hold any of them in high or medium esteem.What matters is not what men say, but what Jesus said…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2011,10:43)Should I personally have to take mandatory arson prevention classes because I'm a white male?No because even though they might be the majority of people who do that, it still works out that very few whites are doing this. If it was say 25% of whites, then it might be a good idea.And anyway, who said that we…[Read more]

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    Mike I don't think anyone is saying you can single out an individual because his/her race, gender, nationality, or age and then argue that they are guilty of certain things. I think people are making the case for a collection of people such as a race, nation, or whatever as to having their own unique set of problems and even blessings.God deals…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 10 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 17 2011,11:36)T8…………….(BEING) means EXISTING in the NATURE of GOD, So when was he “BEING” in that NATURE, was it not when he was on this earth. Was he not the exact representation of GOD the FATHER , Was not GOD portrayed in BODILY FORM (IN) the body of Jesus. Did he not reckoned Jesus as a Temple he was…[Read more]

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    Both our avatars are hosted with another site, so there might be some cross-scripting issues with AVG or some other Web protection service.When security settings are high, it can stop this because malware is often secretly planted in legit sites and any file coming from a different domain can be blocked.That is my guess.

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    Hey Stu taught me that something can come from nothing because he says that if you cannot see it, touch it, experience it, then it doesn't exist.So before I was born, there was nothing and now I am here and I see lots of somethings.Hmm, might have to review the something from nothing option again.

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    If helping the white man with a problem that is predominately a white man's problem is racist, then it must be wrong to have woman's shelters for those who suffer domestic abuse by reason of excluding abused husbands.I think if you go down that road then you need to be able to apply what you are saying to not only race, but gender, age, and every…[Read more]

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    Mike, I think it was mentioned before that the colour of one's skin has little to do with character, but everything to do with being related in a genealogical sense and we know clearly from scripture that curses and blessings pass down genealogies. If you don't believe that, then how do you view Ishmael and Isaac for example.I see to much cross…[Read more]

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    In my experience Mike, you rarely get a straight answer out of an Atheist as to what they believe because they are usually clueless and the ones that do have a belief of some kind have zero proof and will deny that they have faith of any kind.And yet, for some reason they know without a doubt that there is no God.But scripture does paint such as…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Frank and Gene, we believe Philippians 2:6-11 and you guys do not. Simple as that and no amount of links and copying and pasting can hide the fact that you deny Philippians 2:6-11.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 15 2011,23:28)T8………..Wrong  MY version is —- Flesh then joined with Divine Nature > Death to self by Davine Nature> then death to body> resurrection of body> Flesh with Divine Nature added back.Gene you are clearly wrong on this.Let's look at scripture.Philippians 2:6-116 Who, being in very nature God,   did n…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,12:49)White people make up only 45% of America's population, yet they make up 99% of all white collar criminals.All right, now we are talking.So here is a stat that shows the white man with a larger share of a particular crime. Now if we do not hide this because it is race based, then we could move toward the first…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Godless NZ in the forum Faith 14 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (Stu @ Dec. 16 2011,18:59)Who is “we”?Um what?Most people on Earth believe that there was a creator. But whatever, let's say it is all people of the Earth who wore a polo shirt on the 14 of December.Also, you need to read my post again Stu.I said, “When man ignites an atomic bomb is that the explosion some how all mans doing.”The answer…[Read more]

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    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 16 2011,03:20)Are you saying that Moses didn't produce any physical evidence to show that his God existed, (Exodus 4:1-9)?Well it is hardly unlikely that this is eye witness evidence for you.Unless you can strap some neutrinos on the front of your car and consequently travel back in time.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:15)Does anyone remember when Istari came on telling us all how brilliant JA was?Yeah that is right, I kind of remember that now.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2011,12:40)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 14 2011,02:11)Actually I thought he was saying that generally the white man has helped the black man out in this area and the preacher was saying that they (the black man) should help themselves not need to rely on the white man for such things.What he said was, left to their own devices,…[Read more]

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