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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,09:22)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:53)If there is no God, then there is no good and bad,I don't believe that. StuartMost  Atheists I have heard do believe that there is no such thing. Good to see that you believe that. Pity you cannot see from which source it came. Again you likely boil it down to some lame evolutionary…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,09:15)I don't read them anymore.  I dissected one of them, showing Frank point by point where it was in error.  But he didn't want to discuss those errors.  Instead, he just started calling me names. :)Anyway, if Frank or Gene were willing to stand and defend those posts, one point at a time, then I would love to di…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    See Frank. A typical copy and paste response.If you believe this, then put it into your own words and respond to each relevant point.I don't really believe that anyone truly reads your posts because you are not having a conversation, rather just posting propaganda and every opportune moment.

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 21 2011,04:48)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2011,16:38)A muslim trying to play judaism off against christianity.Classic.  These Abrahamists are crazy.Keep going!  Very entertaining.StuartNot , quite I am actually demonstrating how people who believe in the same God can have very different viewpoints and yet many or most C…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2011,21:44)Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2011,16:38)A muslim trying to play judaism off against christianity.Classic.  These Abrahamists are crazy.Keep going!  Very entertaining.StuartHi Stuart,You are fun to have around too.  :D Your friend,Ed J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEspecially funny when he starts swinging hi…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,08:41)“Atheists generally concur that there is good and bad” with Wakeup's one that goes “There is no good and bad, there can not be; If an atheist still believe in Good and bad,then he or she is not a true atheist,but a confused person.Where is the line that define good and bad.They have no line.”You are confused.If…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2011,08:29)I guess I've always wondered exactly why it's important for you to convince us that there is no God, and that we believe in fairy tales?  Why is it important to you?I can answer that as I was an Atheist for years.In short, if lot's of people believe that it is important to believe in God, then that is an…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2011,08:17)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 21 2011,06:53)The post is actually full of good points.“An atheist can only see what is in the material world” is right.  But then that applies to everyone, whether theist or not.  Faith is the oxymoronic “evidence of the unseen”.But you were claiming this is full of good points.  Please give me a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Atheism in the forum Debates 14 years, 9 months ago

    Tim it is easy to call a post drivel.How about proving it.The post is actually full of good points.If it is drivel to you, then I think it shows that you are indoctrinated to the point where you cannot glean anything except it first follows your belief system.That is the definition of narrow-mindedness or being full of yourself.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2011,02:02)Moreover whom he did predesignate, them he also called: and whom he also called them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also (GLORIFIED)OK, so this is your attempt.Fist off, predestination is not the same as existing with divine nature because we are told that we can partake of divine nature…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 21 2011,04:19)Here is what the deceived parrots SAY:Actually I thought I was human, so if I am a parrot, then I am indeed deceived. As you can see from my passport photo, I am a white blond man with a yellow mohawk.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2011,02:02)T8….. You believe you exist now with Godly Nature by receiving it from God , right? Now lets say you were to humble yourself and take on the role of a servant  as Jesus did.  And years later after you were gone and no longer here, and someone was using you as a example they could also say T8 existed w…[Read more]

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    It is true that great men of God were no different to us.They were tempted like us and fell like us.It is written that even Elijah was no different to us.James 5:17Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years.

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    bodhitharta.Satan was defeated by a wisdom that predated his existence and a wisdom that you demonstrate as to not understanding yourself.The powers of this age were not aware of the consequences of their actions when they crucified Christ. It was part of the plan and because they didn't understand it, they did the predictable thing which led to…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Hi Pierre.Sounds like Spanish. Masculine “o” feminine “a”.Also Frank, attributes are often attributed to persons.Jesus said he was the truth. And he is called the Word of God.Truth and logos are certainly attributes, but they are also titles given to a person.Even us humans have names that are often attributes.Many men and women in the Bible were…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 19 2011,10:52)T8 are you not found in the appearance as a Man also. It is  plain Paul is talking about a Past time and that Pastime was when Jesus was on this  earth. Paul was in no way relating to any time period before Jesus came into existence on the earth, that is clear if you understand what Paul's Point was, and i…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 9 months ago

    Gene, Frank doesn't post anything from what I can see, he copies and pastes stuff.If I am talking to someone about a subject and a person has a different view, then I want to hear why they believe as they do.Too many Christians do not understand things and just parrot or copy and paste things, and Frank has not given any explanation to the…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Dec. 20 2011,11:53)@t8 christ is equal with GOD. cant you read the verse?? Philippians 2:6Amplified Bible (AMP)6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,do you…[Read more]

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    Hi Jammin.God (Theos) is both the nature and an identity.Similarly, Adam is both the nature as in mankind (adam) and the first man Adam.The word Theos is used as God and most of the time is talking of the Most High God. Usually the definite article or context tells us so. Sometimes theos is used to describe others such as the theos of this world…[Read more]

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    Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2011,13:03)do not compare it to joseph bec he is a MAN! paul is not saying the term equal as a MAN! he says the FORM of GOD! Philippians 2:6Amplified Bible (AMP)6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with…[Read more]

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