Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:22)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 29 2011,10:21)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2011,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2011,05:55)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 25 2011,12:38)3) Yes(1)Please tell us all WHEN you found out then.  (2)Because you just got done saying you never knew anything about any family problems, right?Hi Mike,1) April fools day2)…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:21)Hi T8, Jesus is the second Adam. Both Adams have God as their father. The original Adam then fathered the subsequent human race. Jesus is the beginning of the new creation-new body, new Spirit, renewed heart and mind. All things have become new and the perishable old is passed awayThe question is, “is Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,11:22)Hi MB, We follow a man. We will be like to him when we are taken up.What will we be?We will be a “spiritual anthrOpos” not a “spiritual adam” according to 1 Corinthians 15:45-49 at least.If adam is the word for man, then is it also true that Jesus is the adam from heaven? Let's look at the word “Adam”.The…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,10:45)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,17:39)I can't say that I have ever noticed the term 'heavenly man'.The term “heavenly man” is not in the Greek text.  Nor is “heavenly human”.Correct. It is heavenly which at least one translation says it as 'heavenly man'.The question I have though is it says that he is the man from…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,23:10)So produce a Scripture that says “Satan does what he wants.”Gene. Satan is the Father of lies and a murderer from the beginning. Who was the first to lie? Satan was. Who told him to lie? I doubt that anyone told him to lie, rather that he did it by his own accord.Jesus said “not my will but your will”.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,08:39)Hi MB 1Cor 15.45Thanks for that Nick.1 Corinthians 15:45-49 New American Standard Bible (NASB)45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is fro…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31)Hi F4, The book never says he was a BEING before birth.Yes, I don't think the word being is mentioned for Jesus, and this could be true after his birth too.It does describe his nature before being born, where it says in scripture in a number of places, that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself,…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 08 2012,13:00)So, you do agree that Father Yahweh's word was in Yahshua. It seemed that others here were trying to tell Gene that Father Yahweh''s word was not in Yahshua and falsely accusing him of adding words to the text.Your twisting words Frank.Show one example of anyone saying that the Father's words were not in…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,02:00)ACCEPT THE FACT THAT EVEN IF SATAN IS CALLED “THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR” AND IS OPERATING IN OUR “NOW” IS A FAR CRY FROM CALLING HIM “HOTHEOS.” YOU HAVE NOTHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT CALLS SATAN “HOTHEOS” AS I HAVE PROVEN FROM 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4.This is an admission that your Trinity Doctrine…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,01:38)You and T8 and Pierre ,can not believe Jesus is a GOD, but you can believe Satan is a GOD,Jesus only does what he sees the Father doing and says what the Father says.Satan does what he wants. His will is to do what he wants.He is the Father of lies and a murderer from the beginning.Jesus openly says that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2012,05:32)I can't even count the number of times I've said this same thing to Gene in the last two years.  You left out one of their additions to the scriptures, t8.  In John 17:5, they must add, “the glory THE THOUGHT OF ME IN YOUR HEAD had before the world began”.Yes that is another addition.They seem to have a p…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,02:34)T8………..So you do not believe Jesus when he said the FATHER is in Me so tell us in what “WAY” was the FATHER (IN) HIM. If not by His Spirit Which Jesus said was THE WORDS He SPOKE.  What you are saying is like you words are not really you either. The Logos became FLESH (IN) Christ Jesus. T8 it is…[Read more]

It is secondary on who said it and much more weighty if what was said is true.If we are free in Christ, we are free from the shackles of denominations and following people.That means we are also free to hear truth no matter who speaks it.The most important thing is that truth was around before the person spoke it.Therefore truth stands above a…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2012,14:33)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2012,08:40)KJ challenges me by saying that 2 Corinthians 4:4 is the only scripture that says or alludes to Satan being the God of this age.We have already given him other scriptures such as the ruler of this world being cast out, price of the air, do not love the world, or Satan offering…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,06:06)Pierre,Since when is one's belief that satan is not a God a litmus test for true faith?KJOn its own it is not.But when a person twists text to mean something else in order to preserve a certain false doctrine, then it is a symptom of a greater problem.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,05:40)Pierre,Why is it so important to you that satan be a God? Did satan die for you?He was the accuser of the brethren and you defend him?KJBecause scripture says that he is the God of this age, so that is the importance.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2012,03:06)What do you want me to think about it, Ed?  It doesn't say one word about Jesus having already come the second time.  Does Ed believe that Jesus has already come (the second time)?If so, we are warned about believing people who say this.When Jesus comes, we will not have to say anything because all will k…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 31 2012,10:42)T8……….Wrong the LOGOS became FLESH (IN) Jesus.The word in is not there Gene.It is in your own head.

Gene, if wisdom is part of God and he begats wisdom as another being, then wisdom still resides in God even though we have a being called Wisdom.If truth is part of God and he begats a being that is the Truth, then that does not nullify the truth in God either.If a fire lights another fire, it doesn't lessen or take away from the first fire.Also,…[Read more]

Thanks for your view keng.A good point about all coming from God and if we relegate some things OF God as being God, then we might was well say all things are God.