Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31)Hi F4, The book never says he was a BEING before birth.Yes, I don't think the word being is mentioned for Jesus, and this could be true after his birth too.It does describe his nature before being born, where it says in scripture in a number of places, that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself,…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 08 2012,13:00)So, you do agree that Father Yahweh's word was in Yahshua. It seemed that others here were trying to tell Gene that Father Yahweh''s word was not in Yahshua and falsely accusing him of adding words to the text.Your twisting words Frank.Show one example of anyone saying that the Father's words were not in…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,02:00)ACCEPT THE FACT THAT EVEN IF SATAN IS CALLED “THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR” AND IS OPERATING IN OUR “NOW” IS A FAR CRY FROM CALLING HIM “HOTHEOS.” YOU HAVE NOTHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT CALLS SATAN “HOTHEOS” AS I HAVE PROVEN FROM 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4.This is an admission that your Trinity Doctrine…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,01:38)You and T8 and Pierre ,can not believe Jesus is a GOD, but you can believe Satan is a GOD,Jesus only does what he sees the Father doing and says what the Father says.Satan does what he wants. His will is to do what he wants.He is the Father of lies and a murderer from the beginning.Jesus openly says that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2012,05:32)I can't even count the number of times I've said this same thing to Gene in the last two years.  You left out one of their additions to the scriptures, t8.  In John 17:5, they must add, “the glory THE THOUGHT OF ME IN YOUR HEAD had before the world began”.Yes that is another addition.They seem to have a p…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2012,02:34)T8………..So you do not believe Jesus when he said the FATHER is in Me so tell us in what “WAY” was the FATHER (IN) HIM. If not by His Spirit Which Jesus said was THE WORDS He SPOKE.  What you are saying is like you words are not really you either. The Logos became FLESH (IN) Christ Jesus. T8 it is…[Read more]

It is secondary on who said it and much more weighty if what was said is true.If we are free in Christ, we are free from the shackles of denominations and following people.That means we are also free to hear truth no matter who speaks it.The most important thing is that truth was around before the person spoke it.Therefore truth stands above a…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 06 2012,14:33)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 06 2012,08:40)KJ challenges me by saying that 2 Corinthians 4:4 is the only scripture that says or alludes to Satan being the God of this age.We have already given him other scriptures such as the ruler of this world being cast out, price of the air, do not love the world, or Satan offering…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,06:06)Pierre,Since when is one's belief that satan is not a God a litmus test for true faith?KJOn its own it is not.But when a person twists text to mean something else in order to preserve a certain false doctrine, then it is a symptom of a greater problem.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 07 2012,05:40)Pierre,Why is it so important to you that satan be a God? Did satan die for you?He was the accuser of the brethren and you defend him?KJBecause scripture says that he is the God of this age, so that is the importance.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2012,03:06)What do you want me to think about it, Ed?  It doesn't say one word about Jesus having already come the second time.  Does Ed believe that Jesus has already come (the second time)?If so, we are warned about believing people who say this.When Jesus comes, we will not have to say anything because all will k…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 31 2012,10:42)T8……….Wrong the LOGOS became FLESH (IN) Jesus.The word in is not there Gene.It is in your own head.

Gene, if wisdom is part of God and he begats wisdom as another being, then wisdom still resides in God even though we have a being called Wisdom.If truth is part of God and he begats a being that is the Truth, then that does not nullify the truth in God either.If a fire lights another fire, it doesn't lessen or take away from the first fire.Also,…[Read more]

Thanks for your view keng.A good point about all coming from God and if we relegate some things OF God as being God, then we might was well say all things are God.

Thanks for your view keng.A good point about all coming from God and if we relegate some things OF God as being God, then we might was well say all things are God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 01 2012,17:22)Lucky for you t8 was able to answer the question correctly. The answer is both can be credited with installing the pool cover, the company and the employee.Why is this so hard for you to answer? Because you know it will bust your 'Jesus did not make one single thing' theory?Kathi, you are jumping to…[Read more]

KJ challenges me by saying that 2 Corinthians 4:4 is the only scripture that says or alludes to Satan being the God of this age.We have already given him other scriptures such as the ruler of this world being cast out, price of the air, do not love the world, or Satan offering high positions in the world to Jesus if he would bow down and worship…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 05 2012,10:52)You NEED for Him to be a God “in the same sense as satan” and you know it.Wrong dude.I don't need Satan to be THE God of this age. I only acknowledge that he is because scripture says so. I am simply aligning with that which is written.It is you who has an agenda and it is this agenda that warps your view…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 05 2012,10:52)t8,I have also indicated here that the two articles in John 20:28 are VOCATIVES addressed to Jesus Himself. “And Thomas said to HIM (Jesus) “My Lord and my God.”You totally avoided the fact that without 2 Corinthians 4:4 you have nothing in the new testament which says that satan is “hotheos.” Nada! Zilch!…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,09:54)Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 04 2012,12:51)I'll tell you what this is all about. This is about Mike and t8 having their “hotheos” argument in reference to satan pulled from under their feet. If Paul did not call satan “hotheos” in 2 Corinthians 4:4, then there is no place in the new testament where he is…[Read more]