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    Nice try Stu, but you are arguing for this.

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    Quote (Stu @ Sep. 18 2011,12:40)The bible is a compilation of 66 books written over a long period of time and they are hard to understand by many.Try again.:)

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    The point is david, scripture encourages us to work out the number of the beast. It says that those who have understanding can work out the number of the beast. Note the words, “those with understanding”.Thus there is something to this obviously, so shunning all evidence to this is not what the Book of Revelation is telling us to do is it.Point in…[Read more]

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    Too late shimmer. You made your comment public and now you should stand by what you said in public if your words are to mean anything.I would like to understand exactly who you are talking about because I suspect that you maybe getting confused about who is on what side. And do I not deserve an explanation as to the bad fruit I have displayed. Yes…[Read more]

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    This is a topic for Shimmer in order to give an explanation as to who are the main persons in the so-called Pre-existence side that have bad fruit or less fruit. It is a perhaps a chance for shimmer to shed some light on the above posts comments with the possibility of helping those who shimmer is talking about. :)

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    shimmer, if you don't want to get caught up in anything, then don't get caught up in it.But once you pass judgement of any kind, you have to defend it because you need to explain your reasons. Drive by posts are not that good. We need to stand behind what we say and what we judge.If we are not willing to stand behind something, then silence is the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,14:19)Frank, do you believe Jesus existed as a man before being made into a man?  YES or NO?Frank, do you believe Jesus existed as a man before being made into a man?  YES or NO?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,16:16)Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,13:11)MikeFrank as a eye problem that is why I told him to get a white cane so we can read it to him  :Dterraricca,Then why is it that I can clearly see that you are a total idiot and that you can't?  :DAgain you ignore scripture Frank.”But I tell you that anyone who is angry w…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:44)Scripture clearly teaches that Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.Frank. We know that. Scripture is also clear that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and came in the flesh.Existing in the form of God does not negate him existing in the flesh also. If it did, then scripture is wrong.You…[Read more]

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    Please demonstrate how this adds to 888.(Revelation 13: 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.)Taken from Wikipedia.A leading exponent of the Maometis interpretation was Charles Walmesley, the Roman Catholic bishop of Rama. He observed that the…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,12:14)Hi T8, Yes the Spirit of Christ is in the form of God.Yes and he EXISTED in that form, emptied himself, humbled himself, and came in the flesh.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,12:45)Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:40)FQuote terraricca,It is quite obvious from my previous posts that I most certainly do believe that Yahshua existed and it is quite obvious from your previous posts that you can not even form an intelligible English sentence. if you would as truthful as i am in written…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,12:44)Mike, Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.See how you used the word existed?Yet it says, “WHO although HE EXISTED in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied HIMSELF, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men”.The ironic thing…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:06)Mike, Scripture clearly teaches that Yahshua existed here on earth as a man. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach that Yahshua emptied himself of being a “God” in a previous existence and made himself into the likeness of a man.As to your “”Haggai” question”, it makes no sense at all!Word it any way you…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,11:58)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:49)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,11:36)t8,It does not say “he pre-existed”. I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”Frank,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,11:36)t8,It does not say “he pre-existed”. I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”Frank, before Jesus existed in the flesh, he existed in the form of God.You…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,11:36)t8,It does not say “he pre-existed”. I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”Frank, I am not saying that he preexisted, I don't need to. It is possible that I…[Read more]

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    Just shows how you can make the numbers say anything you want Bod.You ignore all the things that don't add up to your view, and take only the ones that do.Of course every single person on Earth if they had the same zeal for numbers as Edj, could all prove different things with this method.Therefore this system fails.Not to say that gematria is all…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,09:36)To ALL,If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?Frank, the book of John answers this. It is a book about Jesus and it introduces the Word at the beginning of the book and shows us that the Word that was WITH God…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,09:36)To ALL,If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?He existed in the form of God. This is what we are told.Philippians 2:6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be…[Read more]

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