Thanks Gene.I will be honest and thought you were going to argue the opposite, (as you do) and thought this will be interesting.But you show that you have a good view regarding this.

Cheers Ed.I just watched it.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,11:51)Hi T8, But men err when they apply the predictable expression of creation to their GodMen err, when they throw away logic. God gave us the ability to follow logic. For example, three persons one God, all 100% God, but all the same God, who is not 300% God is the sort of result that occurs when logic is…[Read more]

Yes the Greeks loved their OWN logic.Nevertheless, this doesn't rule out that God is logical especially considering that logos is part of him. It is not about a lack of understanding, rather that we understand what it is that God is saying. In other words when we understand God's logic, and speak his logic, then the logos is at work in us.Is God's…[Read more]

Taken from Wikipedia (logoc):Logic (from the Greek λογική logikē) is the philosophical study of valid ….. dialectical, argumentative”, also related to ] (logos), “word, thought,

Sorry Nick I was editing the post when you replied.Do you think there is a link between logic and logos?Quote Taken from Wikipedia (logos):Originally a word meaning “a ground”, “a plea”, “an opinion”, “an expectation”, “word,” “speech,” “account,” “reason,”….Arguments from reason (logical arguments) have some advantages, namely that data are…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2012,10:03)Hi MB, Logic is your foundation?The Trinity Doctrine is not logical and should lead people to question it. But people think that logic should be thrown out and look at the consequence. Mindless sheep following doctrines that make no sense. Logic should not be the basis of course, but the truth is logical or…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 07 2012,21:40)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2012,21:29)Are you claiming that rocks aren't divinely designed?StuartI know that they didn't just materialize out of thin airBut who would claim that?StuartAtheists claim that everything came from nothing.Other Atheists claim that it came from something eternal that is non-living and…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Sep. 18 2011,12:34)StuartActually let's see how knowledgeable you are Stu.Please submit the EVIDENCE that shows that each of these squares is wrong. You can attack each square in its own post so it is easy to follow.It is no good laughing at something if you don't know why you are laughing at it.Look forward to your replies.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2012,12:27)Frank, many translations offer “and the Word was divine”, or “the Word was godlike”, or something to effect of those two.  But these translations are not possible because the word “theos” in 1:1c is not written in the adjectival form.I think you make some fair points Mike.I have a question. Is there any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2012,12:27)1. Colwell's Rule allows for the addition of the definite article in certain cases, allowing for “the word was THE god” – which we would translate in English as “the word was God”.I would have to check this out to verify it, but some scholars say that this wording would mean that the Word was the God to the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2012,11:49)Hi t8,The WORD did not speak for God but spoke as the servant Son.WE will come to youYou make it sound like the Word is a person that is not Jesus and doesn't always speak for God. We will come to you is different to “Not my will but your will”.And I myself can say WE are discussing something in this thread.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2012,07:27)Hi j42,Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.He spent 40 days with the disciples He then ascended to heavenHe then ascended to heaven to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.”And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,14:44)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,18:38)Hi MB,OPPOSING? The son of God obeyed God in everything.”Not my will but thine be done” The Word shows how the Son of God also could also be the servant of God.And therein lies your problem, Nick.If this was the Word/Spirit/God Himself speaking THROUGH Jesus of Nazareth…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,15:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,11:59)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:57)Hi MB,In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.God cannot be WITH God, Nick.Mike,What do you propose the proper translation of the verse to be if you are not in agreement with the translation Nick has…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,14:56)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:27)This concept occurred to me and I submit it to see if it finds favour among the spiritual.Wouldn't it have been better for you to check if there were scriptures to support the concept before submitting it?Wouldn't it have been better for you to make sure it didn't…[Read more]

The wind did millions of dollars of damage to the North Island, but not the part where I live.However, my son just rammed his bike into the wall on our deck and now I have to replace a panel.So copped some damage anyway.

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,08:21)Hi Pierre,Was it not the systems of religion that has taught you that “God's word” was someone other than God?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate… distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Edj. You blame the systems of religion yet you ignore a really simple and o…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 04 2012,11:04)Nick………..when it comes to Just SPIRIT it is simply a type or kind of Intellect that give us a type of cognition about something.Blind faith Gene. You never give scriptural support for this.We LIVE by the Spirit, gene.The Spirit of LIFE, not intellect.Once we have life, then all that other stuff is…[Read more]

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