Origen was hypothesising by the sound of it.I also have to admit that it is possible, because we are not taught that we our souls definitely did not exist with the Father beforehand.If scripture is not definate on a subject, then it remains open to speculation and hypothesis. And the fact that it is not definite probably means that it is not…[Read more]

Quote from Wikipedia:Origen excelled in multiple branches of theological scholarship, including textual criticism, biblical interpretation, philosophical theology, preaching, and spirituality. Some of his teachings, however, quickly became controversial. Notably, he frequently referred to his hypothesis of the pre-existence of souls. As in the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2012,16:30)No Nick,Men, as a general rule, DON'T pre-exist as gods or angels.  But then, men, as a general rule, aren't sired by God Almighty and a human women.  Men, as a general rule, don't ask to be returned to the glory they had alongside their God before the world began.  Men, as a general rule, don't say, “I ca…[Read more]

To say that you are better than another believer or to call them foolish, deceivers, and the like.Also, judging by what fruits? We have his writings and what others said about him. You can't say for certain what manner of man he was, so I think it is not wise to judge the man harshly.Judge what he has written by all means. We have that record.

Will we not all give an account of our lives.It is not wise to judge one another in this way.For the same measure you judge, so it will be for you.It is better for us to judge teachings rather than servants of God.These servants are not our servants for a start.

Also, those who judge such men as deceivers or unwise or whatever, pass that same standard of judgement to themselves. If you are comfortable with that, then that is your choice to make.

I think in the case of someone who lived in the 200s, it is hard to judge by fruit. Origen left his doctrine , wisdom, and teaching in written form and we have scripture to judge that by.Also, he wrote not in English, so his writings have been interpreted and like the Bible, some see the Trinity because they want to see it. Origen certainly said…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2012,00:09)Quote (t8 @ May 13 2012,22:13)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:41)Which ANGEL was God speaking about that was made the SON OF GOD or do you now admit you were wrong to say Jesus was an angel?Nick I beleive you are wrong on this.Here is why:“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:…[Read more]

I stumbled across this when checking out who is linking to this site.I thought it fitted well with this thread.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2012,05:04)T8……………..Frank is right, but you your preconceive conviction have prevented you from seeing and understand this simple truth. Jesus did not preexist his berth on the earth as a sentinel being of any kind. God was not dealing with Morphed Angels or demigods, He was dealing with Mankind by a Human…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,09:16)Hi T8, So do you have any scriptural witnesses to Jesus possibly being an angel? Otherwise the motion lapses. Heb 1.5 makes a point about angels not being THE SON OF GODI have provided this scripture a number of times.”Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord,…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ April 28 2012,17:25)Quote (t8 @ April 27 2012,22:34)Quote (francis @ April 26 2012,13:04)Like Jesus did in the NT… if you won't answer my question, then I won't answer yours.   Having a dialogue means both sides have to be willing to contribute and answer questions when asked of them. Yours in ChristFrancis.Very true, yet also on…[Read more]

The universe that you observe is seen as vision created by your brain from a finite range of signals from an almost infinite spectrum. You guys obviously subscribe to there being noting outside of your own brain.As is often said by Atheists, seeing is believing. Ha ha. How narrow minded can a person be.Back to the drawing board Atheist.

Quote (Stu @ May 21 2012,03:14)Christianity is the religion for those who need an alternative to doing joined-up thinking.StuartBecause you have no clue as to what caused everything, you are not in a position to offer anything of substance to the meaning and cause of existence.You failed at the first marker, so what makes you think you can answer…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 22 2012,14:00)t8,So you believe that the so called “Book of John” has nothing whatsoever to do with Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word?Frank, the book is about Jesus Christ.John 20:31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 22 2012,10:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,14:24)Hmmmmmmmm………….  Frank, you claim that the word “dia” in Heb 1:2 means “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF”, correct? Well, the same word “dia” is used in John 1:3.  So does John 1:3 teach that all things were made “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF” the W…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2012,17:24)Hmmmmmmmm………….  Frank, you claim that the word “dia” in Heb 1:2 means “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF”, correct? Well, the same word “dia” is used in John 1:3.  So does John 1:3 teach that all things were made “FOR, BECAUSE OF, or ON ACCOUNT OF” the Word?Good question Mike.I look forward to seeing h…[Read more]

Edj: I would say the is talking about Revelation 16:14:For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.journey42: Some food for thought. Thanks.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 18 2012,03:45)Nick……….So say you, and why can't you answer my questions to you? Just ignoring them and making a false and condemning statement about me means nothing but only shows you ignorance about what is being discussed. IMO  peace and love…………………………………………….geneThis is what…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ May 18 2012,12:40)Quick Summary Thus Far · Yahweh is he Creator. · Yahweh had no help in the creation. · Yahweh did the creating alone. · Yahweh knew of no other Yahweh. · Yahweh is Israel’s king and redeemerOK, I actually read some of your cut and paste post and there was a good p…[Read more]