Quote (princess @ June 25 2012,13:30)Quote Charity, the Forum has two sections. Believers and Skeptics. This is to stop Skeptics attacking all the subjects that Believers want to discuss. And all can join in the Skeptics Area and be as skeptical as they want. So know one is being barred from posting what they want, except those who abuse others or…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2012,13:14)Hi MB, All translators except you are dishonest?Do you not know that Jesus is the great prophet superior to the great John the baptist?What does that have to do with the price of fish.

So it has been established clearly that men can be called malak/angel/messenger.The original point of this Hot Seat is now fulfilled.

Agreed Mike. It is rather annoying that translators take the liberty to translate the same word into multiple English words. Likewise, it annoys me that translators use the word LORD in the place of YHWH. It leads to people saying that Jesus is YHWH because he is lord.That said, the truth is not completely lost and a little digging reveals the…[Read more]

Usually the Hot Seat is for anyone with one person on the Hot Seat. It is not like a debate where you choose who participates.Yes I did say for Nick and myself. My mistake. But if you want this to be the case Nick, I will honour what I said and make it exclusive to you an myself. In the interest of truth, it would be good to have others input.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2012,12:41)Hi MB, Are all MALAKS angels? There are 99 times in scripture when it refers to human messengers-are they all angels? Would you deny scripture in support of your theory?There are heavenly messengers and ones from Earth.They both can be messengers. Seems obvious too.

Correct. This has been established and Nick has not proven this is not the case.Nevertheless, we will see where Nick goes with this.

Yes to all of those Nick.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,12:26)Quote (t8 @ June 24 2012,16:17)Men are sometimes called malak and no amount of arguing against it is going to rewrite scripture.Amen.  Case closed.Yes Mike. It is obviously a closed case.It seems that we are to believe that men are not called malak/angels/messengers/ accept when they are.Reminds me of the…[Read more]

Not a new teaching Nick.The Book of Haggai predates both of us.Haggai 1:13Then Haggai, the LORD's messenger, gave this message of the LORD to the people: “I am with you,” declares  the LORD.I accept this. You appear to argue against it.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2012,12:08)Hi T8, Winning cases is uselessness if false teaching ensues.If Jesus was lower than then greater than angels why would you say he was one?Nick, the person who wrote Haggai says so. I am only alerting you to where others have written it.I am not responsible for writing it.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2012,12:20)Hi t8, Where is it written?It is okay if you forgot.Haggai 1:13Then Haggai, the LORD's malak/angel/messenger, gave this message of the LORD to the people: “I am with you,” declares the LORD.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2012,12:08)Hi T8, Winning cases is uselessness if false teaching ensues.If Jesus was lower than then greater than angels why would you say he was one?Nick, it is not my fault if you cannot reconcile the way scripture uses the word Malak.I don't have a contradiction to work out, but you do. You are the one who needs to…[Read more]

Nick, you are acting no different to Trinitarians who deny that men and angels are called theos/elohim/gods.Men are sometimes called malak and no amount of arguing against it is going to rewrite scripture.I just simply accept it as a fact because it is written there for all to see.Do you accept it now? Do you accept that which is written?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,09:17)Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,13:05)No need to add ANGEL by flawed logic.I don't “add” angel, Nick.  I read it in scripture.  If YOU don't want to consider Jesus as an angel (spirit messenger) of God, then that is YOUR choice.Leave me in peace with MY choice, okay?It's right there in scripture in black a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2012,15:20)Hi MB, God is the son of God? The Word WAS God. It is all about the Spirit.Nick, the Word was not THE God.No definite article here.

Yes you have lost this case Nick.Men and heavenly creatures are both called ans described as angels/messenger/malak (NOTE: same word) in scripture.I have proven this to be the case and now you concur.Thank you. I believe yes we can move on from here.The Hot Seat has done its job, but I am happy to take it further as you seem to want to.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2012,08:47)Hi T8, Yawn. Yes they are the same word. But Haggai is a man and the angel is an angel.Haggai is a man who wrote the book so unless you come up with an angel called Haggai elsewhere your theory lapses.You have proven nothing.We are not here to play intellectual games.Unless you are focussed on dogma…[Read more]

Not walking away Nick.I am going to read your response now.I don't post as frequently as you do. That is not a crime.

Charity, the Forum has two sections. Believers and Skeptics. This is to stop Skeptics attacking all the subjects that Believers want to discuss. And all can join in the Skeptics Area and be as skeptical as they want. So know one is being barred from posting what they want, except those who abuse others or other like behaviour.We cater for all and…[Read more]