Here is another question. Do angels refer to each other as angels?Or do they use other words like Seraph, Cherub, Archangel…This would be telling as to whether angels is not a race, but an office instead.Also, as I pointed out once before in this thread, sometimes words change meaning.It is actually possible that the word angel/messenger…[Read more]

The conclusion is that both men and heavenly beings are called malak/angels/messengers in the Old Testament possibily due to the fact that God sent angels and men to be his mouth piece to the people.In the New Testament, the Greek word for malak is angelos. However unlike the Hebrew word the Greek word is mostly used of Heavenly beings. Does…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2012,01:21)Hi T8,Do you believe those “TWO” were…1. Angels2. Men3. Resurrected men                                                     …which do you believe?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI personally think it is resurrected men who are called angels as testified in this scripture.I doubt th…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 02 2012,12:54)Hi t8:If you would read the scripture in context, you would understand that by the statement “I am” he was indicating the “he was foreordained before Abraham existed”.“I think therefore I am”.In this famous statement in English, what do you think the meaning of “I am” is?

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,22:00)I hold this interpretation is flawed even though Paul's choice of words make it seem reasonable. I am using it as an example of how false inferences can be drawn from a passage.And so all I am really doing is quoting scripture. And thus I am not the one trying to change the meaning.

In the last days, deception and false wonders will be so great that even if it were possible it would deceive all even the elect.However, I am sure that we will save us is our faith, the word of God, and testimony in the truth, even when outward signs may try to convince us with lies.

Hi gene.In response to your belief that there is no free will, I have decided to blog about that here.https://heavennet.net/free-will/

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2012,07:30)EDJ………. EXACTLY  Therefore it is a OXYMORON becasue (NO WILL IS FREE) of influence and therefore is not FREE “itself”, What people do EDJ is confuse the Word FREE with the LIBERTY GOD has given us to do and express our “captivated” WILLS>  “Cause and effect”, every cause has and effect, and every e…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,17:58)Jesus is the firstborn of creation who did not take on the nature of angel, but has taken on the seed of Abraham. He was also made a little lower than the angels; then later elevated above them.Correct. He did not take on the nature of angels.Rather he existed in the form of God, or the nature of God, emptied…[Read more]

I totally know where you are coming from david and agree with what you are saying. Nick and EdJ make a doctrine or teaching out of the way translators used 2 different words to translate the same word. Whereas, their teaching should not be different because a fallible translator decides for himself when one is called messenger and one is called…[Read more]

188 or so scriptures. See Terricas post.Your the one refuting them, so you are the one who needs to show evidence. Our evidence is the scriptures that Terrica posted, what is your evidence.Please provide it.

Quote (942767 @ July 01 2012,16:45)Fair enough. Then do mean that he pre-existed as a sentient person or not?Love in Christ,MartyI will let Jesus answer your question. And I hope the reaction isn't the same as when the Pharisees heard this.”Before Abraham, I am”.

OK, here is the conclusion that some would have us believe.EDJ: Angels/Malak are heavenly beings but when it is used to describe a man, the word is kinda nullified by the fact that it was used to describe a man.EDJ: The sword of the Spirit is the same thing as the spirit, meaning that the sword is kinda meaningless.Gene: Free will doesn't exist,…[Read more]