Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,14:48)t8,you saidQuote You are applying your own understanding here.Yes, that is what you are after here, isn't it?  Yes that is right. And I want you to see that it is your own understanding and even by your own admission now.There is a difference between applying your own understanding and understanding the…[Read more]

Thanks T.Here is a more brief video on 2011 from a New Zealand TV station.$300+ billion dollars of damage, not to mention the lives lost.2012 doesn't appear to be as disastrous, but the year isn't over yet.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2012,04:32)So, in summary, there are two persons that make up the one God unity like two sides make up the one coin.Paul says in summary that there is one God the Father. He does not say that there is one God the Father and Son.You clearly differ with Paul and obviously I cannot embrace Paul's teaching and yours at the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2012,04:32)For us, there is only one head on the coin, the Father and one tail on the coin, Jesus Christ. We do not have a coin with two heads on it or two tails. I believe that in some contexts, the Bible author distinguishes between the two 'sides' by calling one God and one Lord…both are called 'God' in other…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2012,04:32)In other words, in some contexts scripture calls Jesus 'God' and in other contexts scripture calls the Father 'God.' I see them both as God sorta like I see both sides of the coin as a coin. Then there are all sorts of others that scripture calls 'god.' They would be like the plastic coins that by nature are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 18 2012,04:32)There are two sides to a coin, agreed? When the coin is laying on the table, you see only one side. What it seems to me is that what you are doing is insisting that there is only one side to the coin while I am insisting that there are two. I am trying to show you that the coin is made up of one head and one…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2012,05:27)Hi t8,Thanks for asking. I do object to using the word 'binity' to express what I believe. Are you and your wife a binity? If you want a word to sum up what I believe, use the word that the Bible uses:A husband and wife are not one being.And God is not defined by his nature but by his person or identity. After…[Read more]

The Jews were dispersed around the world as you know.They likely lost their law when they obeyed whatever law they were under.Likewise, when the Israelites were captive in Egypt, they adopted their gods.They made a golden calf idol when Moses went to talk to YHWH.

Talking about disruptions in the electro-magnetic field, this video might have the answer as to what is happening.

shimmer, are you in NZ and if so, did you feel the 7.0 a couple of weeks ago.

OK, we will do that.But how about letting others post when we are both done with asking each other questions.It can be good to allow others to comment on the conversation at the end.

BTW, if this is a duplicate Hot Seat debate, then I can shut this down and post my questions in the original.

Kathi, you say that the Father is God and Jesus is the begotten God and together they are God. This appears to be the doctrine you teach here.Question: You believe in an unbegotten God and a begotten God.Excuse me if this seems overly obvious, but that is 2 Gods is it not?Bear in mind that you say there is a begotten GOd and an unbegotten GOd…[Read more]

Hi Kathi.I have decided to go straight to the Supreme Court with your view. You mentioned in the thread that I was not suppose to post in that I don't answer your questions.So here is the opportunity for me to answer your questions and for you to answer mine and to get feedback and questions from others.Because this is in the Hot Seat, I am forced…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 16 2012,16:26)Hi Wakeup,Jesus died on the cross according to His flesh, not according to His divinity, as I understand it. Also, the one who pre-existed flesh as a heavenly being, even  the only begotten God, humbled Himself and took on a different form. He became a human baby while still remaining who He was according to…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ July 16 2012,11:56)It would have been an interesting spectacle to behold, the members of Heaven Net trying to correct Jesus every time he misspoke.ColterHi Colter.You are a member of Heaven Net.

Those who deny that Jesus existed before Abraham and that he wasn't the Word and that God did not create all things through him are basically going against not only one or two scriptures, but many. They then systematically come up with a way to interpret each verse in a way that is not written.This is how all false doctrine works. You take a…[Read more]

I have removed my post as I am not part of this discussion.Apologies to all.