OK, so this is now an issue of a certain translation and if it is authentic or not.Before we go there, I would like to tie up some loose ends here first. 1) Please answer the last post on page 5 dated with the following time stamp: Posted on Aug. 01 2012,19:022) Are there instances in the New Testament in our translations and the Greek where the…[Read more]

OK, after all this here is the conclusion.The flaw in your argument is to assume that Jesus is YHWH because he is called lord/kurios.This is where your doctrine errs.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,19:13)t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?…………………..You have not answered this.You do realize that I did not add to these scriptures but just copied and pasted them, correct?Please answer this before asking me more questions.Kathi.I haven't checked…[Read more]

Here are some simple yes and no questions for you.Included are scriptures that will aid you in your answers.Please just scrape the whole page and put your answer after each question.1 Corinthians 4:6Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)t8,Here is your list of scriptures. I will tell you who is being spoken about, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, or the Unity in general of both the Father and Son together with their Spirit.After I do this, will you appreciate all the time that this is going to take me? I may split these up in several…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.What unity.God and Jesus are united and so we can too.I presume you are talking of the Father son union. And not including us.”Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the nam…[Read more]

I only asked for 10, but if you want to do them all, then just list the ones that are not exclusively the Father.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,15:43)t8,you said:Quote Kathi, you clearly teach that God is two.I teach that our God and Lord are two. The Lord is the only begotten God.OK, so no problem there.God is the Father.God made Jesus, Lord.Sorted.Now the only outstanding point is that both the Father and Jesus are YHWH.Is this correct.

Please answer my 2 questions.As for your last question, there is one who is God and the other who is Lord.There are 2 being referred to. God and Lord.The Father is God and Jesus is Lord.One person/identity per title.

Kathi, you clearly teach that God is two.That is sad. And you do not even try to deny it.Even though you are wrong, at least you are honest about this and are not being deceptive.I believe that God is one. He is exclusively the Father.You believe that God is two. They are the Father and the Son.When we push very hard in the wrong direction, God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,14:23)t8you said:Quote e.g., For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….t8: For the Father so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….kathi: For the Father and Son so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son….Who is right in the example above.But Kathi wouldn't say…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,14:17)t8,Where does the Bible say that He is one being? A unity takes singular personal pronouns, there are several examples, the church is a 'she' for example.For us there is one God the Father.If you consider the Father is a being, then yes he is one being.If you prefer I will use the word identity.The Father is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,14:12)Quote (t8 @ July 31 2012,18:52)Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,17:28)Why is it that you and your wife are a unity and not a binity or are you both a unity as well as a binity?We are separate persons who choose to be united in spirit and flesh. We are not one being with 2 persons.A Binity is a being made up of…[Read more]

Kathi, I have a couple of must-answer questions in bold below.I say THE God is exclusively THE Father.You say that God is the Father and Son.Excluding all instances of God/theos that is applied to men, angels, Satan, idols, etc, when the word God is mentioned in scripture, whose understanding breaks the scripture and whose does not.e.g., For God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,17:43)Jesus is theos. Who made Him theos? And when did that happen?When did God make him lord, as you say?It is enough to say as scripture says that God made him Lord. I won't go any further than the scripture so as to not create another path of inquiry. We already have enough to talk about.Jesus, men, angels are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,17:28)1 Cor 8:6Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand.Now, t8, tell me how many persons are for us that are our one God and our one…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 30 2012,17:28)Why is it that you and your wife are a unity and not a binity or are you both a unity as well as a binity?We are separate persons who choose to be united in spirit and flesh. We are not one being with 2 persons.A Binity is a being made up of 2 persons just as a Trinity is being made of 3 persons.So I am in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,14:48)1 Cor 8:6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand.kathi.Jesus is lord. It was God that made him lord. Yet it doesn't really need an explanation that Jesus is lord, but…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,14:48)Are you and your wife a binity or a unity? What is the difference in your opinion or are they the same?A unity of course.Now let's look at Paul's writing.For US there is one God the Father.Now let's apply that to your figurative argument here.There is one Man the husband. In other words a husband and wife are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 28 2012,14:48)How many have divine deity nature as their original nature?I don't have a figure but God shares his nature or allows beings to participate in it. This never makes a person God himself, although that doesn't rule out being called theos. But THE Theos and theos are 2 different things. Not many are aware of…[Read more]