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Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
That is a stretch. Look how many words you needed to use to support the idea that it was OK or normal to add in whole sentences in scripture.Most of the discrepancies between the KJV and more modern versions has little to do with writers adding in extra sentences like the instance you are now promoting, rather has more to do with the KJV using a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Now what about John's books. He was in the territory of Greek-speaking people, i.e., Asia Minor and Ephesus. And Revelation was specifically sent to churches in seven Greek-speaking cities. In addition to that, it is John who introduces us to the Logos. Logos was a Greek concept that was familiar with Greeks and John used that word because he was…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
LU.I think you are trying to force this whole thing way too much. You have an agenda and you will clutch at any straw that will help this thing look like it floats.A person translating from Aramaic to Greek does not and should not write Mark in that fashion if you were doing a faithful translation. You would just say, Jesus said, “My God, my God,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Angel of the LORD in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 1 month ago

Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
LU, before we move on to your questioning, how about a wrap up of what I have said above. e.g., what about Mark who quotes Jesus in Aramaic, but is obviously writing in a different language.Also, as to which version came first, those that refute that the Aramaic came first have nothing to gain from saying that as the Peshitta seems to have a…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
I amhttp://aramaicnt.com/Research/The%20Name%20of%20God.pdfI am not sure if you referred the above document to me, but somehow I ended up there. Regardless, it's stance appears to be the same as yours.In this document, his references to “I am” are absolutely wrong. He makes the claim that “I am” is an incomplete reference on its own and thus must…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
PeshittaFrom what I have read, most believe that the Peshitta was translated from the Greek, not the other way around. However, such a topic is not my field of expertise although I am not sure that I have a field of expertise at all, I will likely from here use other evidence perhaps from scripture itself to challenge your view.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Peter and PaulPeter wrote his first epistle from Rome to “strangers scattered” abroad in five provinces of Asia Minor (1 Pet. 1:1). These people would have been fluent in the Greek language and it was in a neighboring province that Paul grew up. Paul even used this fact to explain why he knew Greek. See Acts 21:37-39.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
JohnJohn wrote his books after the fall of Jerusalem. He was in the territory of Greek-speaking peoples, i.e., Asia Minor and Ephesus. And Revelation was specifically to be sent to churches in seven Greek-speaking cities.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
OK, I spent this morning looking around the web for people's views and ideas about the New Testament and the original languages likely used. Here is what I have gleaned.Most believe that the NT books were written in Koine, or common, Greek which was the universal language spoken by many of the common people throughout the Roman Empire.However,…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic The Angel of the LORD in the forum Truth or Tradition 14 years, 1 month ago
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2012,03:25)T8………Surely you Jest, where is the Word “JESUS” written in John 1:1 , isn't that a little hypocritical of you brother when that is exactly what PREEXISTENCES all DO .Wake up Gene. This book is about Jesus and he was not called Jesus/Yeshua when he was in the glory of God before the world began. So…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Great thanks for your understanding.Definitely wasn't shown the same grace when I debated with the Trinitarians.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
LU. Apologies for not being on HN for a while.My hands are full at the moment with work and family commitments.I definitely want to get to the heart of what you are teaching and why, so I am not giving up this topic.

Proclaimer replied to the topic Testing the Trinity in the forum Inspirational writings & sermons 14 years, 1 month ago
Hi BG.
Most denominations are based on the Doctrine of the Trinity. My view is to not belong to any denomination, but realise that we are the Body of Christ instead. The latter stance is how the body will be one and not divided, and the former will continue to discourage the world from believing that Jesus is from God.
John 17:20-21
20…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
OK, so this is now an issue of a certain translation and if it is authentic or not.Before we go there, I would like to tie up some loose ends here first. 1) Please answer the last post on page 5 dated with the following time stamp: Posted on Aug. 01 2012,19:022) Are there instances in the New Testament in our translations and the Greek where the…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
OK, after all this here is the conclusion.The flaw in your argument is to assume that Jesus is YHWH because he is called lord/kurios.This is where your doctrine errs.
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,19:13)t8,According to these passages in the translation as displayed here, who is called Jehovah?…………………..You have not answered this.You do realize that I did not add to these scriptures but just copied and pasted them, correct?Please answer this before asking me more questions.Kathi.I haven't checked…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Here are some simple yes and no questions for you.Included are scriptures that will aid you in your answers.Please just scrape the whole page and put your answer after each question.1 Corinthians 4:6Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)t8,Here is your list of scriptures. I will tell you who is being spoken about, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, or the Unity in general of both the Father and Son together with their Spirit.After I do this, will you appreciate all the time that this is going to take me? I may split these up in several…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years, 1 month ago
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 01 2012,16:40)Mark 10:18Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good but The One God.”I would say this is the Unity.What unity.God and Jesus are united and so we can too.I presume you are talking of the Father son union. And not including us.”Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the nam…[Read more]
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