Death doesn't mean annihilation because there is a second death after that. The second death is annihilation or eternal death so to speak.Death actually means 'separation'. Soul and body separation. Whereas, the second death is separation from God which is spirit and soul separation, i.e., eternal death or destruction of the soul.

I remember Ray Comfort when he lived in New Zealand.He lived in Christchurch and use to preach in the town square.Now his city lies in ruins from an earthquake.

I noticed that Edj gave up on this and never once admitted that he was wrong. He refused to accept the reality that men and heavenly beings were called malak/angels.Says a lot about the man doesn't it. Fighting against the truth is shameful conduct.

LU, this is a case for divinity, not being YHWH.We can partake of divine nature. Jesus existed with divine nature and emptied himself and took our nature for a time.It is not his nature that is superior in the sense that we too will partake of that. Rather it is his name which is superior (which BTW isn't YHWH). The body that we will receive is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 27 2012,16:33)So the messengers can contain Him but a finite body can't? Is that really what you said? Aren't 'messengers' finite bodies?If the infinite God who resides in all that he can resides in the Angel of the LORD, then that means that he is not that angel by reason of also existing outside that angel. Rather he is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 03 2012,07:04)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 02 2012,03:54)Whatever happened to the truth.Good post t8, as usual.  I truly wish you had more time available to post on this site.Same.I have seasons of posting and then seasons when I am very busy.Hopefully I can start posting again and will make an effort to do so.

You are dreaming LU.A father of a son is the source of the son.The source obviously is the predecessor.Jesus is the image of God.An image is a reflection or in the likeness of the original. To be any kind of image there first needs to be an original. Just like Eve was made in the glory of the man. She did not precede the man and nor was she always…[Read more]

Not sure if I have posted this one before, but there are some points worth thinking about. As an aside and related to another topic, he mentions that Greek was the main language due to Alexander the Great's conquests and that Hebrew was a religious language. Back to the subject. I think the Nephilim is a subject that most Christians ignore, or…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2012,13:37)So t8, you have not proven to me that you are open minded in any wayOK, let's have a look at why I am close minded.I believe the following undoubtedly and I am closed minded right? Because it is this that you have the problem with and I can either believe what you are telling me or these scriptures and I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 14 2012,06:06)Actually, the Greek texts also give reasonable evidence that Jesus is YHWH as well as the Father. Many Greek primacists agree with that, surely you have come across that in your studies, right?Should read:Actually, the Greek texts also give reasonable evidence that Jesus is YHWH as well as the Father. Many…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 16 2012,13:37)I understand that you feel that you have to belittle people because that makes you feel justified; it is telling.If I belittle a lie, then those that believe the lie may well feel belittled.I attack the lie not the person. If you happen to be part of the lie, then that is not my fault.

LU, when YHWH appears it is also often through an angel. And we are not expected to call the angel, 'YHWH'.What did you expect. That YHWH can actually meet someone in bodily form. That he can fit into a finite body. Ha ha, no chance. Not even the heavens can contain him. Rather he is inside his messengers and is not the messenger himself.If you…[Read more]

OK, now that it is established that your view is not shared with most Preterist Scholars, let's just be honest and say that there are plently of groups out there that have their fetishes.  From ancient astronauts to God being every body, there is a flavour of belief to suit all types of fetishes.   Let's be real. I could argue the same basic a…[Read more]

OK, LU.I can see you have a mountain of so-called evidence and I certainly do not have the time to go through everything.But let's be honest. You and I both know that scholars of both the Greek texts and even the Aramaic Preterist scholars generally agree that this Aramaic version came from the Greek. In other words even the vast majority of…[Read more]

Here are a couple of smaller points that came to me. Haven't got time to do rela research with them.Jesus is the son of God the son of YHWH. Hence look at his name it is not Yahweh. It is Yahshua or some other pronunciation that has Yah or Yeh in it.Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. If this is every…[Read more]

Your other part of your last post doesn't go anyway to proving your case. I am already aware that God made all things through him. This does not make him God or YHWH though. Try to stick to evidence or so-called evidence that is relevant to the topic.

LU, the last post about divine nature is not helpful because I believe that he has that nature too. But possessing or partaking in that nature does not make you God or YHWH. “Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself taking on the nature of a servant and being found in the form of a man”, “I am going to the glory that I had with…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2012,18:34)Kyou can go to the Soul topic with this ,it seems you start to understand