Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 30 2012,13:32)If Adam named his son Adam instead of Cain, your example falls flat.Now you are just been plain silly I think, or maybe you are really that blind. I don't know. Surely you would distinguish Adam from Adam by saying something like Adam senior. You see they would be 2 different identities. Only one can be Adam…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2012,22:32)T,Man has both a physical side and a spiritual side. Both exist in this World and ergo this World is not solely a physical World.Correct. However, it is true that our physical bodies limit us from going places that say spirit beings can access.I am not sure what the dispute is here because yes we have a spirit,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2012,13:45)T8,Explicitly means something that is written out and not derived.  You on the other hand are arguing that Ephesians 6:12 infers there is a physical realm because a flesh and blood body is a physical body.You also believe it infers the heavenly realms are non-physical because it states “spiritual forces” are in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2012,15:31)T8,The literal word interpreted as “natural” is soulish.  So there is a soulish body, which you claim is dead without the Spirit; and there is a Spiritual body, that lives because of the Spirit.Correct Kerwin.And there are 2 measures of the Spirit.There is the breath, which is given to all once which gives us…[Read more]

BD, Earth has things that are created in the likeness of Heaven. e.g., the River of Life and the water system on Earth both sustain life.But man pro-creates and angels do not as they are a direct creation.The Quran indirectly suggests that Heaven is the image of Earth and pro-creation.This is carnal and appeals to carnal men.

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 29 2012,11:29)A literal begotten Son of God would be the very God of very God/the very God begotten of very God…like begets like…the only begotten God. 'Like begets like' is so easy to understand, children have no problem with this, why do some adults on here have problems with this.Do you understand the difference…[Read more]

Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.So there are spiritual forces and bodies.There are physical forces and bodies.A body usually inhabits a realm of some kind.The body…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 27 2012,03:57)To all,There is no explicit mention of a physical realm in Scripture.God created both the heavens and the earth and did so before he created the sky and those we see in the sky.God is unseen and all else that is was created by God; whether it is things in heaven or on earth.There is a physical body and a…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 28 2012,14:44)2) It says God appointed Him over the works of God's hands, if it was God's hands and scripture tells us that Jesus was the one who did it, what does that tell you?Did you not read where it says that God created all things through Jesus Christ. Did you not read where it says that God created all things by…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 28 2012,04:43)T,I believe the creed is free from lies.Not good enough because some will deceive just as they are deceived.It needs to match up with scripture. Not your own doctrine and version of history.After all, you can justify anything by setting conditions first. Then everything is seen through this man-made lens. This…[Read more]

Guys, most of the first page is awesome. I love it. All the hallmarks of good fruit. Humility, honesty, truth.But then others joined in with their bias, false teaching, and self-glory in their own understanding.Still not spoiled however, because all of us are tested. Stay true to the end and we get the crown of life. Do not fall for false apostles…[Read more]

Just a thought. If all things seen come from things unseen, and if that means that the physical universe that we can see comes from a greater realm called the unseen spiritual realm then it stands to reason that:a spiritual body could have a physical dimension to it;but the physical could not necessarily take on a spiritual form, a spiritual angel…[Read more]

The Jewish leaders replied, “We have a law, and according to our law he ought to die, because he claimed to be the Son of God!” (John 19:7)I don't see the charge that he claimed to be YHWH or God. That would have been an easier conviction don't you think.

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