One more chance EdJ.Yes or no.A post with nothing else please, otherwise a tile is coming your way.I will then read and challenge what you have additionally posted after that.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2012,04:15)Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is ONE.Btw, Elohim is a plural word so no need to add an s to it.Let's put this into the kathi 2012 Translation.Hear, O Israel; YHWHs our gods is ONE substance.BTW, Elohim is a word that can be used as plural or singular. Context is important in establishing if it is singular…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2012,04:15)2) Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is ONE2) Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is ONE + (please read the conditions as laid out in the Terms of Conditions below).2) Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is ONE substance that spawns 2 persons. He is Biune and not one person. All references to HIM is not to be…[Read more]

Hi Kathi. Will answer. I will knock off a couple of easy ones first and then give some thought as to what you are asking.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,08:54)The bible doesnt teach falsely, you and Mike and T8 do concerning Jesus preexistence as a sentinel Being before his berth on this earth.The bible teaches that he existed in the form of God before coming as a man. This is what we believe.Replace the words 'sentinel being' with 'the form of God' and then you…[Read more]

The fact that the Jews took Jesus to mean that he existed before Abraham at least shows that this was linguistically possible. And the confirmation as to this understanding has many witness scriptures.1) Linguistically correct.2) Agrees with many other scriptures.  Also, when Jesus was asked if he was Jesus just before his crucifixion he said, 'I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,20:30)Yet you believe that Jesus was not eternal but had a beginning to His existence. When was that, t8?Approximately 1,009,876,690,545,443.987987987 light years before creation. NOTE: I might be out by a .00001 of a nanosecond.

RT, the title of this thread is aptly named: “Coming back for more”.It is better to discuss this topic in the correct thread.See you there.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2012,07:53)“Is that a deal?” Are you joking? Are you really needing to 'make a deal' before you will answer my questions?Yes.

The Trinity Doctrine states that God is triune and each member is 100% God and co-equal.How about we go from there, but not here. Instead we should discuss in the Topic you created.

The Trinity is a false doctrine instituted by the Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire, and Roman Catholic Church.Many have died for challenging it.Then you come here and teach it and I challenged you.I know it upsets a lot of people because many have died opposing it in history.You are also upset, but do not have the power to kill me. Nevertheless,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,20:35)t8,I have asked you the question about how many are on the throne about three times now between this thread and another thread and you have avoided answering it even though you have responded to other parts of my post to you.Okay. I will answer if you answer these 2 questions. Is that a deal?How many men are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,20:30)Yet you believe that Jesus was not eternal but had a beginning to His existence. When was that, t8?I don't believe that Jesus was created by God through Jesus.I believe he came from God directly. He was begotten. He existed in the FORM of God, not as God himself.He was the first born. The prototype.It is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,19:39)If the Father is the only true God, as you claim, the Son is the only true ____.The Son is the only begotten/monogenes son. (Firstborn/prototokos of all creation.) He is preeminent.Similarly, Israel was also the firstborn meaning that Israel had precedence above all other nations

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,19:39)I have a question for the skeptics who believe that Jesus was created, t8, Mike and all. I don't believe he was created. Creation is defined as all that was made by God through Christs/Word.Jesus is special in that he is the first born of all creation. Then all things that were created were created by God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 28 2012,19:01)Each is YHWH because each eternally existed. Their Spirit is united to be one spirit within believers.Okay. You need to tell God about this. I don't think he is aware of this LU as he never revealed this to us in scripture.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2012,18:50)I don't have two God the Fathers, I just have one God the Father also…who happens to be with one God the Son.Yes I know that. You teach 2 gods. The God Father, and the God Son. Each is YHWH because they are melded together by the spirit according to you.We (Paul, Mike, Terr, myself, others believe in one God…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2012,18:23)At least Kathi's being honest about the number of Almighty Gods she believes in.Yes she is straight up about there being 2 Gods. 2 Yahwehs. 2 Most Highs.The LORDS her GODs are 2 gods.However, I thought she converted to the Trinity from a recent post of hers. Could never find it again though among all the…[Read more]

Okay so you bring a false teaching and you are somehow not accountable for it and feel that you are being persecuted because I give you scripture that disagreed with your stance. Did you expect me to say “good one” or something?Your problem RT, I am only the messenger. As I said before, the ball is in your court not mine. You can hate me or say…[Read more]

EdJ.I asked you a question that requires an answer.I will not read your BUTS (rebuttals) till I get a YES or a NO. And it is a required question. A lack of answer earns a square. That goes for me too.Here is the question again. Please answer as this is the Hot Seat. Let your YES be yes and your NO be no. No more dodges please.Does Haggai 1:13 use…[Read more]