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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,02:00)I have made no error. The error is yours. A nation is a unity made up of more than one being and referred to with the word 'his' which, like 'him' is a singular, third person, personal pronoun. Here is proof once again:Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their KingOnce again,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,01:36)Quote You say that God is YHWH.The Father is YHWH.Jesus is YHWH.Both of them together is YHWH.The following is more accurate:I say our Elohim is YHWH Echad, an eternal unity of YHWh the Father-our one God, YHWH the Son-our one Lord together with their united Spirit in one eternal unity.I used 'Elohim' in a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,01:14)t8,If Adam had a son named Adam also, then there would be two identified as Adam who both had the qualities of adam, correct?Correct.But the second Adam would not be Adam the son of God.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:46)Kathi you err once again.Israel was one man.Israel was one nation.Each person in that nation was not called Israel.Further, Adam was the first man.adam is all men.Not all adams are called Adam.Eve is not Adam for example.You say that God is YHWH.The Father is YHWH.Jesus is YHWH.Both of them together is YHWH.This view…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Kathi I made it obvious that this was a translation, not a direct quote. You are overreacting probably because you are agitated.So now you know it is a translation, (even though that is mentioned in the original comment) can you prove it is a wrong translation? That is the only real response you can have from my post.If the translation is wrong,…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Kathi you err once again.Israel was one man.Israel was one nation.Each person in that nation was not called Israel.

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    The crazy thing is Mike is “I am” (Ego Eimi) is mentioned a number of times in scripture by Jesus and other beings such as angels and men and as far as I have read, not one is talking about being a mere memory, but is directly relating the words to them existing.Yet they take Jesus one to have a different meaning. And why do they do that. One word. “BIAS”.

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 30 2012,05:26)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 29 2012,19:42)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 29 2012,08:54)The bible doesnt teach falsely, you and Mike and T8 do concerning Jesus preexistence as a sentinel Being before his berth on this earth.The bible teaches that he existed in the form of God before coming as a man. This is what we…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Kathi believes in one YHWH Echad, the eternal unity, that is one eternal God, the Father and one eternal Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God the Father, together with their united Spirit.Can also be said like this right:Kathi believes in one YHWH substance, the eternal unity, that is one eternal God the Father and one…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:06)The word 'son' is related to that verse. 'Thou art my Son, today I have begotten you.” This is correct.So Jesus became a son that day. What happened the day before? Was God still a Father? And to whom?

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:02)T8,Why can't you see that I believe in one YHWH Echad that is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ together with their united Spirit. See my signature. If you are going to 'laugh' about what I believe, at least write it in a way that is complete. Why don't you just copy this and save it somewhere if…[Read more]

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    Okay I couldn't see the word “Father” in the Greek Text.http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/heb5.pdfSo are you saying that the word son is not related to being begotten in that verse?”Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.”

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    Okay. I hadn't read your previous comment.I checked out the verse in a number of translations and most had it while a few didn't.I will look it up in the Greek.But before I do. You say that God was eternally the Father because he always had a son. Where did you get that from exactly. Your own mind, or do you have a scripture to back this up. Just…[Read more]

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    Quote I don't know of any fathers who were fathers before their first offspring existed within their parent. Where does it say that he has always been a Father exactly?

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 26 2012,15:39)Watch the videos, learn something. I'm trying to help you!!Paul of Tarsus: (1) For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: (2) For me there is one God the Father and Son.KangarooJack of America: (3) For me there is One God the Father, Son, Spirit.Armstrong: (4) For me there is one God the Father, Son,…[Read more]

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    Does today mean eternity?”Today I have become your father.”

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    Actually I thought of a better username for you Mike.Me T8You K9.What about it?

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,15:46)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 31 2012,18:54)Okay here is something that the 3 musketeers might differ on.I believe I am the best looking one even though I don't know what the others look like.I look exactly like my avatar.  :)Okay then. I can't compete with that avatar. Too dog gone good.

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    Exactly. If you had nothing to hide and was willing to learn truth to the point of admitting when you were wrong, then you could answer any reasonable question with yes or no.Not so with EdJ is seems. And I think this has done more damage to his teaching than anything else given that we know people by their fruits. If they can't answer simple yes…[Read more]

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    Okay here is something that the 3 musketeers might differ on.I believe I am the best looking one even though I don't know what the others look like.

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