Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:17)The Father gave His Son His name YHWH before creation.There you go dreaming again.When are you going to wake up.

Yes son is not there. It is just 'of'. Although all the others are not said to be sons either, even though they are. Which was of Joanna, which was of Rhesa, which was of Zorobabel, …The point is that he was from God, but the point didn't relate anything to what we were discussing anyway.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:17)Adam is not called the son of God in the genealogies check your interlinear the word 'son' is not there.Okay I will check it out. It was not an important point however. It was a side note as to what I was saying.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09)Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.Technically that could work, but it completely contradicts scripture making you wrong. These prove you are wrong and as I said before they also prove that Trinitarians are wrong. I could prove you wrong…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:05)Well, is Adam called the 'son of God?' Not technically from what I can recall. Maybe I missed something.Anyway, it is besides the point. I wasn't proving that Adam was or was not called the 'son of God,' I was proving that Adam the father could name his son Adam and they would both be identified as Adam with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,17:32)Is a nation a group of beings?Yes or No?In this verse, is the word 'his' a pronoun that has as its antecedent a group of beings?Yes of No?Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their KingSorry Kathi because this so-called proof is not proof at all.Israel is one nation, hence HIM. The…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:20)t8,It is like you are almost getting it but then you don't. It really is simple and most Christians agree that the Father and Son are both YHWH. I don't know why you think I am the only one.You are basically a Trinitarian so you are not the only one as you say, correct. But you stand alone in that instead of 3…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:10)Well, I differ in that I don't see from scriptures the Holy Spirit as an individual person with a separate will and mind. I see the Holy Spirit as the omnipresence and 'inner person' so to speak of both the Father and the Son. I see the Holy Spirit as eternally their 'inner person' and omnipresence. Our spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,16:08)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:21)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,16:00)God is the Father in most contexts in the NT and probably in the OT.God in the general, fullest sense, is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.God is Jesus in some contexts.YHWH is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son and sometimes the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.When the Father is said to be the…[Read more]

Kathi there are more than 2 powers in Heaven.The ultimate power is the Father. He has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, thus the highest power under him.We then likely have angels and Michael is likely the highest power in the angelic realm.We also have 24 elders who we are not sure who they are. Some have suggested that they represent other worlds…[Read more]

Gene if you read the text and order of events as recorded in the gospels, then the indisputable order is this, as it is written:EXISTED in the FORM of God > Emptied himself > Came in flesh > Died > Ressurected > In the glory he had with the Father before the world began.You clearly oppose this while we accept it. Just leave it at that. You are not…[Read more]

Quote (clyde @ Nov. 01 2012,09:24)WOW, I have been off here for 6 months and the same arguments by the same people continue. What is the fruit of that? How does that help me become like Christ?It proves that there are people who are obstinate and cannot change even in the light of scripture.No it doesn't help you personally. But it could help…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of Tarsus.Would appreciate an answer here.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:31)t8, the scripture doesn't say Jesus became a son that day, it just says He was begotten/brought forth that day. Were your sons you 'son' before they were born/begotten? Weren't they sons already for months before they were actually born?“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:55)t8,I do not believe that YHWH is defined as a substance or essence. It seems to be more about an eternal existence.Got it. I realise you differ here with the Triune Group.So you say that God is the Father and the combination of the Father and son. But God is not the son because he is Lord.Both are YHWH, and…[Read more]

Gene are you too proud to admit humans are free to choose.Are we not told to choose between God and money.Are we not told to choose this day whom we will serve.Are we not told to choose between the flesh and the spirit.Face it, your view is wrong because as believers we all have to choose between the spirit or the flesh, and some will choose the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2012,09:16)]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 01 2012,21:25)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)Hi Gene,The words 'captivated will' or 'influenced will' are not in the bible; only “FreeWill”.Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,23:22)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 27 2012,12:15)I have chosen freely to say that I have free will.Gene has chosen freely to believe that there is no free will.Free will allows for this outcome.Happy free willing everyone.Maybe we should have a day in the year when we celebrate free will. Free will day. How about it Gene. What is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,02:00)If Jacob HAD given his son the name 'Israel' also, then there would have been two persons identified as Israel as well as the nation that is a unity of more than one member.This proves absolutely nothing. You are trying to win a point on a technicality, when it is an unrelated point.There is a town in…[Read more]