Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:20)t8,It is like you are almost getting it but then you don't. It really is simple and most Christians agree that the Father and Son are both YHWH. I don't know why you think I am the only one.You are basically a Trinitarian so you are not the only one as you say, correct. But you stand alone in that instead of 3…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:10)Well, I differ in that I don't see from scriptures the Holy Spirit as an individual person with a separate will and mind. I see the Holy Spirit as the omnipresence and 'inner person' so to speak of both the Father and the Son. I see the Holy Spirit as eternally their 'inner person' and omnipresence. Our spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,16:08)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:21)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,16:00)God is the Father in most contexts in the NT and probably in the OT.God in the general, fullest sense, is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.God is Jesus in some contexts.YHWH is sometimes the Father, sometimes the Son and sometimes the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.When the Father is said to be the…[Read more]

Kathi there are more than 2 powers in Heaven.The ultimate power is the Father. He has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, thus the highest power under him.We then likely have angels and Michael is likely the highest power in the angelic realm.We also have 24 elders who we are not sure who they are. Some have suggested that they represent other worlds…[Read more]

Gene if you read the text and order of events as recorded in the gospels, then the indisputable order is this, as it is written:EXISTED in the FORM of God > Emptied himself > Came in flesh > Died > Ressurected > In the glory he had with the Father before the world began.You clearly oppose this while we accept it. Just leave it at that. You are not…[Read more]

Quote (clyde @ Nov. 01 2012,09:24)WOW, I have been off here for 6 months and the same arguments by the same people continue. What is the fruit of that? How does that help me become like Christ?It proves that there are people who are obstinate and cannot change even in the light of scripture.No it doesn't help you personally. But it could help…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of Tarsus.Would appreciate an answer here.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:31)t8, the scripture doesn't say Jesus became a son that day, it just says He was begotten/brought forth that day. Were your sons you 'son' before they were born/begotten? Weren't they sons already for months before they were actually born?“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:55)t8,I do not believe that YHWH is defined as a substance or essence. It seems to be more about an eternal existence.Got it. I realise you differ here with the Triune Group.So you say that God is the Father and the combination of the Father and son. But God is not the son because he is Lord.Both are YHWH, and…[Read more]

Gene are you too proud to admit humans are free to choose.Are we not told to choose between God and money.Are we not told to choose this day whom we will serve.Are we not told to choose between the flesh and the spirit.Face it, your view is wrong because as believers we all have to choose between the spirit or the flesh, and some will choose the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2012,09:16)]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 01 2012,21:25)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,02:38)Hi Gene,The words 'captivated will' or 'influenced will' are not in the bible; only “FreeWill”.Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 27 2012,23:22)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 27 2012,12:15)I have chosen freely to say that I have free will.Gene has chosen freely to believe that there is no free will.Free will allows for this outcome.Happy free willing everyone.Maybe we should have a day in the year when we celebrate free will. Free will day. How about it Gene. What is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,02:00)If Jacob HAD given his son the name 'Israel' also, then there would have been two persons identified as Israel as well as the nation that is a unity of more than one member.This proves absolutely nothing. You are trying to win a point on a technicality, when it is an unrelated point.There is a town in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,02:00)I have made no error. The error is yours. A nation is a unity made up of more than one being and referred to with the word 'his' which, like 'him' is a singular, third person, personal pronoun. Here is proof once again:Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their KingOnce again,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,01:36)Quote You say that God is YHWH.The Father is YHWH.Jesus is YHWH.Both of them together is YHWH.The following is more accurate:I say our Elohim is YHWH Echad, an eternal unity of YHWh the Father-our one God, YHWH the Son-our one Lord together with their united Spirit in one eternal unity.I used 'Elohim' in a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,01:14)t8,If Adam had a son named Adam also, then there would be two identified as Adam who both had the qualities of adam, correct?Correct.But the second Adam would not be Adam the son of God.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:46)Kathi you err once again.Israel was one man.Israel was one nation.Each person in that nation was not called Israel.Further, Adam was the first man.adam is all men.Not all adams are called Adam.Eve is not Adam for example.You say that God is YHWH.The Father is YHWH.Jesus is YHWH.Both of them together is YHWH.This view…[Read more]

Kathi I made it obvious that this was a translation, not a direct quote. You are overreacting probably because you are agitated.So now you know it is a translation, (even though that is mentioned in the original comment) can you prove it is a wrong translation? That is the only real response you can have from my post.If the translation is wrong,…[Read more]

Kathi you err once again.Israel was one man.Israel was one nation.Each person in that nation was not called Israel.