So the LORD is two (The Father and Son) is what you teach.The LORD is one, the Father is what we teach.For us, there is one God the Father is what Paul taught.We are with Paul in this truth, you are not.We are also with Jesus Christ the truth, who testified that the Father is the true God.John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you,…[Read more]

Well if God is a spirit and is eternal and he gives HIS spirit to beings and that spirit if not remaining returns to God who is eternal, then how is that spirit that he gives is temporary in nature.Does God have a temporary bucket of spirit that he gives out and then destroys it once it is used?And yes Jesus has a spirit as you say and scripture…[Read more]

Ecclesiastes 12:7and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.Hebrews 12:9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live!Numbers 16:22 “May the LORD, the God of the spirits of all mankind,…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2012,23:06)If you didn't have this rather pathetic and parochial death-cult religion metaphorically around your neck you might be able to discover a much richer spirituality than the one you seem to have which apparently relies on reality-denial and semantic games.Ha ha. What is it that you understand about spirituality when…[Read more]

Did the spirit that is in man not exist at some point?

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:32)Stop acting like a bully, t8. This is not second grade.I could say you are bullying us with your doctrine. You know we reject it as false, and yet you keep ramming it down eveyone's necks when you get the chance. And who is encouraging you to do this? No one. Not one member on Heaven Net is asking for more of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:30)t8, A unity is usually more than one, duh.So you agree that to you, the LORD thy God is two.So why not say it because then you would be clear.I think you are afraid to say it that way even though it is what you teach.And why are you afraid to say it?I think you know the answer.

Thanks 2besee.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:14)t8, if you truly believed that He was the only begotten theos, you would not think He was one of many begotten theos. You believe in many begotten theos and Jesus is one of the many.I believe in only one begotten theos.Kathi, he existed in the form of God. He came from God directly. We were created. And then…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:23)Jesus came OUT from God. He had to be within before He could come out.Where do you think your spirit came from?Mars?

And you worship the Father as God and you worship the son as God.The LORD thy God is two according to you. This is a true statement of your faith and yet you cannot even say it publicly. Are you ashamed of your own doctrine?Kathi believes that the LORD thy God is two, but is too ashamed to say it outright. Instead she disguises it so that it fits…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,17:04)If you truly believed that He was begotten and not created then He wouldn't be theos like everybody else except the Father. He would be theos like the Father.Let's see.Jesus came from God.God didn't come from Jesus.God is invisible.Jesus is visible.God is a spirit that not even the universe can contain.Jesus…[Read more]

Proverbs 8:22“The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;He was brought forth.1 John 4:9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.He was begotten.John 1:3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:35)The YHWH Echad is Father and Son and they were that forever. The Father didn't say He made Him Son and Lord. He always was a Father and His Son always was a Son.Yes we know what you teach. But what we are really looking for is proof. Scripture would be good.No amount of repeating your doctrine is going to sway…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:33)Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.Your not paying attention.If he was begotten of God, then God would rightly be his father.See it now?

Yes correct Mike. There is one God. Kathi teaches a different God, but that doesn't change the fact that there is one true God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,02:00)That is amusing that in those last two posts t8 'good points' Mike but then totally disagrees with what he posted, as seen in his last statement.  Unless Mike was saying that himself, t8 and Jesus have the same God. I can't even find the original quote. Where was the original quote, Mike?However, Mike and t8…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,14:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,06:05)The YHWH echad existed before eternity and wasn't the creator or redeemer before creation either.Ah, but the fact that God MADE the universe means the universe wasn't eternally existing, right?Likewise, the fact that God MADE Jesus Lord means that Jesus wasn't eternally…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,02:16)t8,Can kurios be a placeholder for YHWH in the Greek?Yes, and so can others be called that.Context is the key as I have always maintained.Usually it tells you what kurios is being referenced.

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2012,23:06)As it is, I have explained to you already how the universe came into existence, and you are in denial about that history. I'm sorry for you that you seem unable to accept the answers to the questions you pose.Maybe I missed that one.Was that the post where you repeated Hawkins idea about gravity?Would you like a…[Read more]