2besee, I said what I said because you implied that I was wrong. So I just showed you why I said woe and gave the scripture. You are seeing things that are not there.Quote t8,Well, if you say that, then perhaps you had better remove the shepherd of hermas from your site which states the very same thing.And actually no, It is woe to them who say a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,12:51)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,15:22)Jesus sent his son into the world.He did?  That's a new one on me!    Oh yeah. Sorry bout that.Although if we are to believe the Trinitarians in the following verse with regarding the God being Jesus, then yes Jesus has a son.We know also that the Son of God has come and has gi…[Read more]

Regardless of who wrote it, the point is still valid. Even if Ed J wrote it, it would still be valid because the points stand on their own.Darkness is the lack of light. Hate is the lack of love. The lack of God is horrible if you ask me. But God allowed us to choose God or not. That is the reality of our existence. We see godly things and we see…[Read more]

So what you are saying is that everything was corrupt at that time and shouldn't quote anyone from 3rd-century period.But if you read what he says, he completely contradicts the Trinity Doctrine.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,13:50)Have you seen a plant with a dead stem but the plant remained alive? Oh well, ask a gardener.Jesus is the vine and we are the branches.So if Jesus is the root and shoot and a stem dies, and the plant still lives. Then the plant didn't die.But central to true faith in Christ is that he died for us and was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,14:03)I said that I think He was INSIDE the Father eternally past as an offspring yet to be begotten, then before creation, He was begotten OUT OF the Father. No strings attached. Always existent, always a Son, not always begotten.Here is how Hippolytus (ca. 230 A.D) puts it.The first and Only, both Creator and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,14:03)I said that I think He was INSIDE the Father eternally past as an offspring yet to be begotten, then before creation, He was begotten OUT OF the Father. No strings attached. Always existent, always a Son, not always begotten.So he was a son, and then he was begotten as that son. You may be edging closer to…[Read more]

Here is how Hippolytus (ca. 230 A.D) puts it.The first and Only, both Creator and Lord of all, had nothing coeval with Himself… He was One, Alone in Himself…. this Solitary and Supreme Deity, by an act of reflection, brought forth the Word first, not the Word in the sense of being expressed by voice, but as a Reason of the cosmos, conceived and…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 12 2013,14:19)And actually no, It is woe to them who say a word against the Holy Spirit.“Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,06:21)Hi T8, 1) No2) Your opposition to the truth.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDoesn't make sense. If I remove opposition, then that still leaves the story as it is.

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,06:19)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,20:58)Ed J. It is true that truth is opposed. But often self-absorbed people are opposed too. But for a different reason.Hi T8, Glad to hear you consider that you “may be” opposing truth!God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThat is a perfect example of you either…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,10:31)Bible study is good, I can't figure out why you would mock those who present new information to you about God? This is not wise and it shows bad fruit on your part.What you call mock is really just a challenging and obvious question. Why not just answer it, rather than call it mock.Unto us a child is born…Go from…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,17:00)So where in scriptures does it speak of the Son being conceived before creation? I mean, since all sons are conceived, right?The meaning of son is offspring. And we know that God created all things through his son Jesus Christ and that there is nothing else that was made that was made not through him.This is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,10:42)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,20:51)And yet is the Holy Spirit another son?According to 2besee, “YES”.  2B believes that the Holy Spirit is the original “eternal Son of God”, who works side by side with Jesus – a different Son of God.  Yet he acknowledges that Jesus was brought forth BY the Holy Spirit, which I t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,17:03)Quote I think I'm with Princess and t8 on this one:  Binity truly has become quite the bore.And we all know what happened next to Princess, don't we-no longer able to post in the believer's section. I do recognize that spirit in you both. I am not here to entertain you.Well if you are a Skeptic then that is…[Read more]

Occult = 74Tarot = 74Gematria = 74Ask yourself. Is this the truth according to your calculator or is it bullying.

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2013,11:02)To All,I know people who will not even go on forums because of all the bickering and backbiting they see.If forums went like the thread “Who is this woman clothed with, The Sun in Rev.12:1?” before T8 jumped in to attempt to badmouth me in EVERY THREAD, more Christians would join forums. God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

Ed J. If challenging someone's teaching is bullying, then why does the Bible encourage us to refute false teaching?I can understand that a false teacher or a man who thinks he is more right than anyone else could feel like he was being bullied. Surely the light exposes the truth and the light does make some uncomfortable.In Nick's case, I simply…[Read more]

I have learned that when people continue to preach lies even after they are exposed it is because they are so self-absorbed that they just can't face the fact that they are wrong. So pride makes them continue in their error.

Ed J, I am not for you leaving, but I am also not for you preaching useless propaganda at every opportunity.I think the best way to keep you here, but also lift up the discussions in the Believers Place by not allowing you to promote your propaganda is to create a new area called 'Crackpots Place'. Would you be happy to be the first member to move…[Read more]