Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 22 2013,19:31)T8 do you know what the Son was before he became flesh?The Word that was with God. Although it is possible that immediately before becoming flesh that he was the angel of the LORD. Some say he was others say no. I am just saying that is possible.

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 22 2013,19:23)Yes and a man and women are equal even if the man has more authority.But great scripture, as we are made in his image, male and female he created them in his image.God said let **us** (plural) make man in our image.Clearly the Father, Word and BreathJust as scripture teaches that the heavens and all that are in…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 22 2013,14:34)How could the Holy Spirit be “a god”, and how could 'the spoken words of God' be.. “gods”??Mike, there is only one true God.God is the Father of lights and the Father of spirits.If God begats a son or sons, then we are born of him and are with him. If the Word that is in God is brought forth to be with him as the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,10:28)I have consistently said that Jesus is the Son of Yahweh-the Father.i.e., Jesus is the son of the other YHWH then.You said it.

Okay, I have taken this from another topic. It is Kathi's indirect admission to how John 1:1c should be read. It agrees with what I have said all along.Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,18:02)t8,The Hebrew word ha-adam has the article 'ha' and refers to one person no matter what their proper name is. If the proper name is meant 'Adam' there is no…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,18:02)t8,The Hebrew word ha-adam has the article 'ha' and refers to one person no matter what their proper name is. If the proper name is meant 'Adam' there is no 'ha' with it. That is what the article is saying. It is also saying that adam without the article refers to mankind in general. So 'the adam' can refer to…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:23)The killing of Jesus was immoral.  Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.StuartImmorality implies morality. Morality implies a moral code or law.Law implies a law giver who is moral.A good explanation of God.Not hard to understand.

Ha ha. Good one.

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 22 2013,17:16)Pro 8:23 I WAS SET UP FROM ETERNITY , and of old, before the earth was made.4Thomas, We understand that before creation of the heavens (time and space) there was the Word that was with God. So yes he came from eternity. But that doesn't mean that he has always been.The Father was before Jesus no matter how you…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 21 2013,17:02)That would be the name the Father and Son are known as in the old testament. YHWHOr didn't the Father descend on a cloud and apss before Moses and talk with him? Exodus 34:5-75 Now the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. 6 And the Lord passed before him and…[Read more]

Calling men to abandon their own understanding and variety of views for the scriptural understanding that there is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, one Spirit, and one faith is not calling people into Babylon2 or Babbleton. Quite the opposite. It is calling people to believe what the faith is that was delivered to us by the Apostles.

Without looking at the videos, your comment “Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)                 (<– the short answer is "Yes")" is just plain humorous.That is like saying can 1+1 =2 and 1+1=3.Sure when you twist things, you can make anything say anything. However, it is not wise to twist truth.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,16:18)t8,The 'appendix 3' in the quote box here agrees that the article is significant but its significance disagrees with your application of it. The quote says that adam with the article would not refer to the person with the proper name of Adam.If that is correct, then your arguments about 'adam' and 'the Adam'…[Read more]

Hi abe. Would it not be more accurate to say that the Word that was with God was once in God or an attribute of God. Likewise, Wisdom that was the workman with God that was given birth, was an attribute of God. And just as a flame lights another flame, and doesn't lessen the first flame, so it is with the giving birth of Wisdom and the bringing…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2013,15:37)Your religion of separating Jesus from his human roots is a false teachingAlthough he existed in the FORM of God, he emptied himself, and came in the flesh. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right-hand of God in the glory that he had with him before the world began.It is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2013,15:37)T8…….I simply ask you for a scripture that says this, Jesus ” preexisted” his berth on this earth ,Oh sorry. Here we are.John 8:58-5958 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away fr…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,13:33)How many Greek classes have you taken, t8? You have a friend that says the lack of the article is significant. So why is that a support for your theology? Significant doesn't mean less than. Maybe your friend doesn't know about predicate nominative. Maybe you should show him what I linked you to. That was a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,13:28)The Word of Yahweh is Yahweh the Son.The Eve of Adam is Adam his wife.No, Eve of Adam is adam/mankind, his wife.You are saying the first sentence, I am saying the second.Pretty clear which one is right.You are confused. Come out of this confusion so that you might see clearly.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:32)More t8 confusion:I have never said that I am an authority in Greek grammar and even much less an authority in Hebrew grammar. I have never pretended that I was. Although I have had a year and a half of Greek Biblical grammar study in a classroom. I have only had two classes in a Biblical Hebrew classroom so…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 22 2013,10:44)No. Jesus was a man. (simplicity)You have your own spirit even though there are many other spirits in existence, and so, that spirit is the spirit of “t8”. Your spirit can be shared for example when you write or when you talk to people. You can influence people with your spirit, etc. With God, He has His own…[Read more]