Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,13:06)BTW, I don't see anything in Barnes, Clarke's, or Gill's commentary that would be in opposition to devil-like. Why are you making such a big deal out of a description that you already agreed to?Because you deny that the Word is God-like, God-kind, like God. I show how it is possible given another example that…

Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,13:06)Do you think that just because this adjective is 'almost invariably used in the NT as a noun' means that all adjectives in the NT are invariably used as nouns? And visa versa?If Judas can be a devil (noun) and yet the meaning be that he is like the devil or belongs to him, then just showing how the Word being…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,12:51)Hold on there, t8. I didn't add words to scripture and claimed it was a scripture. I explained my understanding. Commentaries do this all the time.Yes, but the point is you have to add words to get the scripture to line up with your view. I wasn't saying that you are saying those added words are part of the…[Read more]

Kathi, Trinitarian quotes do not make me squirm. I know that the Trinity is the foundation of the Catholic faith of which even those that protested (Protestants) still cling too. The Trinity Doctrine is huge and is likely the main belief held by Bible scholars. This is why a verse that could be rendered as supporting the Trinity is often twisted…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 08 2013,15:26)Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,15:23)Mike,Is it not correct to say that the dog is a dog? or the tree is also a tree? or, the God is also a God? Too much is being made of the 'article' or lack thereof. A God is also the only begotten God. See what I mean?Like I said, John 1 is about God with God…John 1:1 to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,15:13)t8,More like this:First Root (God the Father)>begat that which was eternally within Him (Second Root-God the Son) before the ages>they created all created things in heaven and on earth including Jesse and his descendants (the stump of Jesse) up until Yeshua>the First Root sent the Second Root to become also…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,15:23)Mike,Is it not correct to say that the dog is a dog? or the tree is also a tree? or, the God is also a God? Too much is being made of the 'article' or lack thereof. A God is also the only begotten God. See what I mean?Like I said, John 1 is about God with God…John 1:1 to Kathi is about a God with another…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,15:03)Quote (t8 @ April 04 2013,19:40)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,15:13)I have been saying the same thing in different words, t8 but you laugh. The fact is that there is more than one Root of Jesse. Why would you think that the other Root would not be the Father since He made all through another Root? Or who…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2013,04:40)T,I used T8's plank and spec argument. There is no room for Jesus in the account of the original creation event unless you presume that more than one god spoke the Word and that Jesus was one of those gods.Note: I am not advancing the teaching that Jesus was there at creation but I am pointing out that…[Read more]

Quote (Mary @ April 06 2013,15:57)you did not put a time Limit on reply answers did you?I think you should remove that Tile an start again.I think a question asked 3 or more times is good enough.And the tile gets removed when the question is answered. So the tile has the useful effect of pointing the person to a must answer unanswered…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 06 2013,00:23)That's funny, you never answered my question back to you when you had me on the hot seat. ColterNot really funny because it is easy to miss a question given all the posts around here. Please send the link to the exact page, and I will certainly and gladly answer it.

10% new posts, 90% quotes. I might have to remove the ability to quote. It is hard to follow conversations like this. Perhaps that is a good thing.

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2013,22:01)In case anyone happens to be playing along at home, t8 has copied his material wholesale from a source such as this creationist website: http://www.creationtoday.org/why-does-the-bible-mention-unicorns/. It's basically his ignorance from laziness on display here.  StuartHa. Did you think that was me in the video.…[Read more]

Charity, you are not necessarily quality, but you haven't shown that you are a dodger. Dodgers lessen the quality of a debate or conversation. But so does silly answers. Not saying you are the latter, but dodging is only one way to bring the quality down.

Charity, I am not opposes to having a laugh. I have certainly had humour aimed at me, and I can laugh about it. It helps make conversations a bit more interesting when you inject other emotional indicators into the conversation.

http://mangahelpers.com/t/harun/releases/11942Literal Translation is the act of rendering as closely as possible the wording, structure, and grammar of a source document into the translation. Fluency is not as important as fidelity. This type of text is often made for students and scholars who have knowledge of the language they are reading.…[Read more]

Mike I am not saying you are wrong. And I am not opposing you. What I am doing is this. I am saying that you will be opposed by most till the end for saying that John 1:1c is saying that Jesus is a god. Because to to the minds of most, that would be saying Jesus is a literal god and similarly that Judas is an actual demon. Whereas I believe if we…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,17:52)And I believe the Jews were accusing Jesus of making himself out to be A god, not “God Almighty Himself”. And Jesus was saying, if THEY are considered gods, then why not me? I'm the one God actually set apart from all the others, sent into the world, and said, “This is my Son, the beloved”!But that is for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,17:52)He was calling them “gods”, plain and simple. BTW, I believe that verse is about the divine counsel – not men like most people think. I believe God was speaking to the spirit sons that He had placed over various nations of the earth (ie: the Prince of Persia that Michael fought). They did not handle their…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 07 2013,15:55)Further, I agree with you that John 1:1c can be correctly translated as “the Word was a god”, just as Jesus said, “one of you is a devil”, but I think the reader needs to read them both as referring to nature or in quality, rather than literal.In that sense both could be translated as saying the Word was one who is…[Read more]