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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,19:23)kerwinJesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3John the Baptist was human in nature just as his father was.Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.Eve shares Adam's nature and so do we. We are not Adam, but in nature we are.Likewise Jesus existed in the form of God.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Love in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 3 months ago

    Love is 'like' on steroids.

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    Trade and commerce have world centres. New York and London.You only need to take out a few to bring the whole thing down.Maybe even one of those is enough.

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    Trade and commerce have world centres. New York and London.You only need to take out a few to bring the whole thing down.Maybe even one of those is enough.

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    Conclusion:t8 believes that there is one God the Father and that the Father made Jesus Christ Lord and saviour. t8 also believes that the word elohim and theos have different applications depending on context and sentence structure.Kathi believes in two Gods. She believes in the only true God who is the Father (as I do), but she also believes in a…[Read more]

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    Okay that proves my point that a self-deluded person or a person whom God hands over to delusion is deluded because they want to be. And nothing not even truth will convince them otherwise.It reminds me of that parable that concluded that even if a man was to rise from the dead and tell them to avoid that horrible place, they still wouldn't…[Read more]

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    Seriously Kathi, if I had lost nearly every point that I brought up as you have, I would seriously be considering my doctrine by now. But I suspect that you do not do this because you are running on emotions and reality and truth has disappeared for you.Are you not concerned for your soul? Is your pride worth more than your soul? Is God's truth a…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,17:15)The 'Son of God', according to you = 'another god'.That is what you keep saying, but I have said to you in more than one way that many are legitimately called theos as scripture says. Jesus even said, “ye are theos”, thus being called theos is not the same as being called the one true Theos or Most High…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,16:50)That's silly. If I call you “t8 our moderator” I am still calling you t8.Jehovah has many descriptives given to Him as His name. Tell me which ones aren't Jehovah:JEHOVAH JIREH (Jehovah our Provider)JEHOVAH RAPHA (Jehovah our Healer)JEHOVAH RAAH (Jehovah our Shepherd)JEHOVAH TSIDKENU…[Read more]

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    The question was, “did you know before he mentioned it”?

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    Quote You pray to Jehovah through the name of another god who is not Jehovah.I pray to God through the one name that I can be saved, Yeshua. Change another god for son of God and then you have it. Quote I pray to Jehovah through another God who is also Jehovah.Correct, you pray to the Most High God through the begotten God. So you pray to one God…[Read more]

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    Quote (Colter @ May 24 2013,00:22)Neither does the Book of Job claim to be the word of God, or ANY of the other books which the Roman's used to create a document of controlling authority.Church authorities knew this very truth then, and they know it know, but they are moral cowards. They are afraid of loosing control of the flock, for you can't…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Oh, btw, I was wondering how someone who claims to be so spiritually in tune, as you claim to be, hadn't picked up on jb's doctrine that Jesus is just a man until now? Very telling.Must answer question.Did you know then before he mentioned it?Yes / NoAnd the reason I didn't know is the same reason why I don't…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Btw, you need to learn about coming in the name of another…it is about authority. That verse in John 5 has nothing to do with Jesus getting named the Father's name. The verse that tells us that Jesus' name is the same as the Father's is in John 17, and is first played out in the OT where Jesus is called…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)You are a polytheist because you do spiritual actions in the name of another theos. You pray in the name of another theos who is not Jehovah. You bow down to another theos in an act of worship who is not Jehovah. You believe in another theos for eternal life who is not Jehovah. If you deny this by declaring…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)t8, invoking another theos, bowing down to another theos in a manner of religious worship, making a covenant through another theos other than Jehovah, etc…is against the first commandment.I worship and pray to God through Jesus Christ my Lord.Against this there is no accusation.

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    Kathi you are desperate. How many times do you have to lose on points before you realise that perhaps you are wrong.And one of these days you might actually win a point from me and I am happy for that because you might teach me something. But even in that circumstance, it would not prove by any means that God was two.

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    Ed J. Let me enlighten you.There are numbers all over the place.Just the other day I saw a cow with 2 heads and 8 legs. Hangon a minute, that could have been 2 cows standing next to each other.

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